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Article posted Oct 18 2013, 4:31 PM Category: Tyranny/Police State Source: InformationLiberation Print

Men Could Face Felony Charges For Knocking Over Rock

Chris | InformationLiberation


Everything is a felony in the new America. In this story out of Goblin Valley State Park in Utah, some tax-slaves who pushed over a rock which was barely held in place by a patch of dirt may face second-degree felony charges.

The men say they thought they were doing the right thing.

From The Salt Lake Tribune:
Taylor said he knocked the boulder to the ground after seeing a family walk by on a nearby popular path. When he touched the rock, Taylor noticed it was loose.

"I put my hand on a rock and it moved," he said. "While we were sitting right there we thought, ĎMan if this rock falls itíll kill them.í I didnít have to push hard."

Taylor said that at the time he thought he was doing a "civic service" by taking down a loose rock. However, as he walked back to his car, he began thinking that he should have contacted a ranger about the loose rock. He also said he wished he could take back his actions.
Will regret be enough? Will public shaming be enough? Or must these men be imprisoned and made to be "felons" because they pushed over an inanimate rock?
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Anonymous

Posted: Oct 18 2013, 8:49 PM

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98198 Fat, dumb, ignorant Americans destroying the natural environment whenever they're not picking GMO corn out of their asses.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 18 2013, 9:56 PM

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108160 Seriously? This is facing a felony charge while governments and corporations in America are literally destroying their land and water for profit? Fucking police state. Americans should be very scared right now. Your country is going to SHIT
dougo

Posted: Oct 18 2013, 10:54 PM

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68107 yes,the heat waves and stink waves hovering over all of America can no longer be contained.they seem to be especially strong here in san diego,ca..
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 18 2013, 10:58 PM

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71181 It's a rock, people! A rock!


Nickel's 2bits

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 12:01 AM

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7147 In caveman voice: "State bad. State park bad. Take away freedom. Freedom good. Right to break rocks must not be taken away. Who care about stupid rock? Who care if rock famous? Who care if other people want to see rock? Right to ruin rock must not be taken away. State bad."
Chris

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 2:58 AM

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In caveman voice: "State good. State park good. Take away freedom. Freedom bad. Right to break rock must be taken away. Who care about stupid humans? Rock famous. People want see rock. Rights of rock must come first. State good."
Chris

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 3:04 AM

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The home you're living in destroyed the natural environment which previously surrounded it, are you willing to take your principles to their logical conclusion and live in the dirt because nature comes first? The clothes you're wearing destroyed the environment they were grown on, will you go naked in the cold because nature comes first? The computer you're using, the electricity you're enjoying, all of it "destroyed" the "natural environment" to be produced.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 12:44 PM

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72208 Weíre like, ĎOh my gosh, if this budges, moves, itís going to kill all of them.í " The family turned a different way, prompting Hall to think, "They donít even realize how close they came to dying."
After the rock falls, the three men laugh, cheer and high five each other.

The three goofballs must have a Merit Badge in Bullshit!

Hall added that the men also were acting as Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints youth leaders.

Three Mormons......'Nuff said!
Nickel's 2bits

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 3:36 PM

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7147 These men are subject to an investigation, and a possible felony, because they damaged a rock formation...in a state park. The area is not just an arbitrary area of "nature" where I or someone else happened to place a home; it is a specially designated area; a protected area.

Why is the park there? Because some people cared enough about what was there--its natural beauty perhaps--to want to protect it for the future. That's nothing new: Every human society in the past, of which we have enough records to understand, has had its protected or sacred areas and monuments.

But some people are anarchists. In the view of those people, any restriction on their behavior is unacceptable. "Who cares if the rock (or the area it is within) is famous to--important to--ten, a hundred, a thousand, or a million OTHER people? Preventing me from, or punishing me for, doing what I want is unacceptable. If I want to knock down Rainbow Bridge or Ayers Rock no one should be allowed to stop me. Because: Me! Me! Me!"

Anarchism is the utter antithesis of human society. Even Libertarians who agreed to declare a common natural area, would punish an act that destroyed a natural feature of that area.

So this article is revealed as an argument for anarchism, trying to turn selfish idiocy on the part of these men into a proof that the state is "bad" (and therefore should be destroyed) because it is punishing them.
Chris

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 5:14 PM

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It's one rock, there are thousands like it. It's not like they pushed over one of the statues at Easter Island. While I personally would not have done it, I don't think their doing it justifies taking their freedoms away and turning them into felons.
Chris

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 5:24 PM

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It's designation as protected is entirely arbitrary, the subjective whims of the plantation owners who stole it as their own as a tool of rent seeking designated it as such for their own personal enrichment, not for the greater good. If the land is so valuable, it should be owned by those who value it most, not by parasitic monopoly rent seekers who want only to exploit it for their own personal profit. You have everything completely backwards, when something is public property there is no incentive to protect it, when something is private property there is every incentive to protect it, just compare a public bathroom to a McDonalds and you'll get a picture who cares more for their property.
tex

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 6:29 PM

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98198 These idiots should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. The rock formations are a national treasure to be preserved for everyone else to see and experience. It is not their job, or their right to decide what's best for the public. If they feel endangered by natural rock formations, stay out of State Parks and allow me and other people to enjoy them. I personally felt a great sense of loss watching these morons push over the rock and laughing. I suspect they've defaced other public and private property before too.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 6:41 PM

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75162 To the "it's a rock crowd".
My family enjoys Goblin Valley.
Many people come all the way to this remote place to see the hoo-doos, or balanced, eroding rock. They are beautiful.
Wrecking these hoo-doos makes as much sense as flattening tires on cars in the name of safety.
When these guys go to the forest, do they worry about which trees may fall and take it upon themselves to make it safe?
This was vandalism. The fool is very lucky not to be maimed or killed by choosing to move that rock.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 6:50 PM

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75162 To Nickles to bits:
Anarchist is the wrong term. You are speaking of " vandals".
I am an anarchist and I practice leave-no-trace enjoyment of the outdoors at all times. I also clean up all of the places I visit. My young adult, anarchist offspring do the same. Whether I am with them or not.
Parks aside, the US government does more damage to the environment through warfare and the perpetuation of the war throughout the world with arms-sales, than anyone else. They exempt themselves from all of the rules they place on the rest of us.
Poisoning other countries with agent-orange and depleted uranium is not good stewardship of the land. It was the state that has done this.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 7:00 PM

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75162 Nickles 2bits:
You continue to slander anarchists. All of the anarchists I know, and I know many, are decent people on their own. They do not need to have to be directed to be hard working and decent. We simply recognize that the state gets a free pass from folks like yourself on all of the destruction they do to the environment. All of the wasted resources. The unnecessary mining, burning and dumping they do.
The wildlife surveys are circumvented when the military is involved.
I clean up the Mc Garbage left on my street because I dont' need the Gov"t to do it for me. I tie my own shoes for the same reason. Ditto on wipin' my own butt.
BTW public school is slavery and brain-washing of children.
Anarchy=peace

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 8:50 PM

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75162 Nickles2bits:
" Anarchism is the utter antithesis of human society. Even Libertarians who agreed to declare a common natural area, would punish an act that destroyed a natural feature of that area.
So this article is revealed as an argument for anarchism, trying to turn selfish idiocy on the part of these men into a proof that the state is "bad" (and therefore should be destroyed) because it is punishing them. ".
Nothing is revealed here other than your introduction of the label "anarchist".
Why not Boy Scouts of America, Or perhaps the Girl Scouts( for not being more vigilant.) . Why not criminals, vandals, ignoramuses. Or blame You-Tube for giving them a fool's soap-box to act out and ham-up their own shame.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 9:23 PM

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75162 Nickle 2Bits: I'm waiting... .
Why the fear of anarchists, when government is the hand of force. Anarchy is principled on free choice and voluntarism. Vandalism of this sort is akin to rape of the land .
Nickles, you brought up anarchy and (your caps, not mine,) the STATE.
iNSECURE ABOUT YOUR state PAYCHECK?
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 19 2013, 9:29 PM

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98198 THIS WAS MINDLESS VANDALISM - PLAIN AND SIMPLE. EACH OF THESE JACKASSES NEED JAIL TIME AND HEAVY FINES.
Nickel's 2 Bits

Posted: Oct 20 2013, 1:30 AM

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7147 Sorrrryy I'm so "slow": Do have other things to do.

1) It was not THEIR rock; it was a rock held in common by EVERYONE. Or do some people here not understand the principle of common property? (If so, you'd better watch out you don't get involved in a "Tenancy in Common".) So what if there are "thousands of rocks"...it still was not THEIR rock.

2) Someone said, oh, this was vandalism. Good: I agree. Vandalism is a crime...and if so, then why are we using punishment of a VANDALISM to prove the STATE is bad? Oh, and there was an incentive to protect it--even though it was pubic property--why else would the state be considering a felony charge? Because that felony gives idiots like these an incentive to leave public property as they find it. BTW when I was talking about anarchists, I was not talking about the vandals.

3) I fear anarchists in general because they respect no rules set by a society at large. Some of them are probaby decent people, but many of them merely want the "freedom" to rape, pillage, and vandalize without organized punishment. Because organized punishment is bad, because it means your big gun (keep reading) might not get you what you want. If there are truly no rules, then you have no society. (If you think there ARE rules in an anarchy, you need to look at the definition again. Because, basically, the only rule has something to do with who has the bigger/better gun.) So, yes, anarchism makes me feel very insecure; and no, not because I get a STATE paycheck (I work my ass off for a private company thank you). But it scares me (for example) that I might work my ass off and then have my employer point his big gun at me and say, I'll keep that money, thank you for your effort. If he were to try, I want organized punishment to equalize us.

4) Okay, Chris, if you want to argue that the punishment is EXCESSIVE, well, let's talk about that. Maybe we could agree on 2 hours in the stocks. But I have a quite clear impression from the article that even "shaming" is something you would consider "too much": In fact it seems clear that you would be fine with the next thousand visitors each knocking over a rock. After which we might as well go ahead and develop the park.

5) Darn straight the state is bad steward of the land, as well as all developers, corporate goons, and most private individuals. Which makes it especially important to have areas where good stewardship is mandatory. And selection of such areas is not that arbitrary because, believe me, the "plantation owners" would prefer to develop every one of those beautiful areas and sell the houses for a mint--to environmentalist crusaders who can then be proud about how they own a section of a sanitized beautiful place.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 20 2013, 10:01 AM

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75162 Nickles 2bits :" I fear anarchists in general because they respect no rules set by a society at large. Some of them are probably decent people, but many of them merely want the "freedom" to rape, pillage, and vandalize without organized punishment."
No, if you want to do these things unpunished, you put on a uniform provided by the state. There is a complete double-standard of justice and many sociopaths find their niche with the impunity of hiding behind a uniform.
Anarchists are not what you learned on TV. Look up the definition. It is about freedom, not vandalism. It is about being a good neighbor and being responsible for yourself and your actions. The state does everything at the point of a gun. Good neighbors try to persuade people peaceably with free-choice, kindness, and by setting a good example.
Social ostracization is a powerful tool that does not require a gun either.
The state has convinced you that without them to save you, bad people will prevail. My family has paid with their lives for trusting the Gov't. We are down-winders. Those great state folks you revere so much dropped open-air atomic bombs on their own people. My dad lived next to a uranium mill, and died an untimely death from cancer. Breast cancer and thyroid cancer are our gift from your beloved state.
BTW, this particular anarchist would have called those fools out on their vandalism, had I witnessed it.
Are you OK with the state pointing a gun at you and taking your paycheck, or most of it, for Obamacare? My employers have never robbed me and if they did I would shun them and encourage others to do so as well. Talented employees are a valuable commodity. Only a fool would rob a good employee.

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