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Analysis posted May 01 2011, 11:21 PM Category: Cover-Up/Deceptions Source: InformationLiberation Print

Osama Bin Laden Has Been Dead For Years

Chris | InformationLiberation

Now that Osama's dead body is being trotted out to boost Obama's approval ratings, er, because he was just killed in a raid or some nonsense, it's worth taking a look back at the researchers who concluded Osama bin Laden died years ago. David Ray Griffin wrote an entire book about it. Mike Rivero also wrote the article "Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government," where he cited numerous heads of state, CIA agents, intelligence officials, etc. who all concluded Osama has been dead for years.

Here's a run down of some of the evidence detailed in David Ray Griffin's book from an article he wrote in October, 2009.:
Objective Evidence that Bin Laden is Dead

The objective evidence includes the following facts:

First, up until mid-December 13, 2001, the CIA had regularly been intercepting messages between bin Laden and his people. At that time, however, the messages suddenly stopped, and the CIA has never again intercepted a message.

Second, on December 26, 2001, a leading Pakistani newspaper published a story reporting that bin Laden had died in mid-December, adding:
“A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement . . . stated . . . that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial.”
Third, bin Laden had kidney disease. He had been treated for it in the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001, at which time he reportedly ordered two dialysis machines to take home. If you have ever wondered what bin Laden was doing the night before the 9/11 attacks, CBS News reported that he was being given kidney dialysis treatment in a hospital in Pakistan. And in January of 2001, Dr. Sanjay Gupta said – based on a video of bin Laden that had been made in either late November or early December of 2001 – that he appeared to be in the last stages of kidney failure.

Fourth, In July of 2002, CNN reported that bin Laden’s bodyguards had been captured in February of that year, adding: “Sources believe that if the bodyguards were captured away from bin Laden, it is likely the most-wanted man in the world is dead.”

Fifth, the United States has since 2001 offered a $25 million reward for any information leading to the capture or killing of bin Laden. But this reward offer has produced no such information, even though Pakistan has many desperately poor people, only about half of whom have been supportive of bin Laden.

Testimonial Evidence that Bin Laden Is Dead

In addition to this objective evidence, we had considerable testimony in 2002, from people in position to know, that bin Laden was dead, or probably so. These people included:
• President Musharraf of Pakistan;

• Dale Watson, the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism unit;

• Oliver North, who said: “I'm certain that Osama is dead. . . And so are all the other guys I stay in touch with”;

• President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan;

• Sources within Israeli intelligence, who said that any new messages from bin Laden were “probably fabrications”;

• Sources within Pakistani intelligence, who “confirmed the death of . . . Osama Bin Laden” and “attributed the reasons behind Washington's hiding news on the death of Osama Bin Laden to the desire of the hawks of the American administration to use the issue of al-Qaida and international terrorism to invade Iraq.”
For this reason, perhaps, the stories about the demise of bin Laden largely came to an end in the latter part of 2002, when the United States was gearing up for its attack on Iraq. From then until now, there have been few such stories.

Recently, however, two former intelligence officers have spoken out. In October 2008, former CIA case officer Robert Baer suggested in passing during an interview on National Public Radio that bin Laden was no longer among the living. When Baer was asked about this, he said: “Of course he’s dead.”

In March of 2009, former Foreign Service officer Angelo Codevilla published an essay in the American Spectator entitled “Osama bin Elvis.” Explaining his title, Codevilla wrote: “Seven years after Osama bin Laden's last verifiable appearance among the living, there is more evidence for Elvis's presence among us than for his.”

This is an excellent article, with only one serious flaw. In 2007, Benazir Bhutto, being interviewed by David Frost, referred to Omar Sheikh as “the man who murdered Osama bin Laden.” Codevilla cited this statement as further evidence that bin Laden is dead. But Bhutto had simply misspoken: She had meant to say “the man who murdered Daniel Pearl,” which is the standard way of referring to Omar Sheikh. That she misspoke was shown the next day, when she told CNN: “I don’t think General Musharaf personally knows where Osama bin Laden is.” Ten days later, speaking to NPR, she reported having asked a policeman assigned to guard her house: “Shouldn’t you be looking for Osama bin Laden?” This flaw aside, Codevilla’s article provides good support for his claim that the widespread belief in bin Laden’s continued existence is not backed up by evidence.
The evidence Osama has been dead for years is overwhelming, people have been predicting for years his dead body was going to be trotted out as part of some PR stunt. Absent the presentation of some overwhelmingly compelling evidence to the contrary, it looks like that's what we're witnessing right now.

Update: Another lie exposed: Disposing of Osama's body at sea is NOT in compliance with Islamic law

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Posted: May 02 2011, 1:52 AM

6412 Some people would get a kidney transplant even if their religion forbids it. IF this is the case with this mass murderer they will be able to tell: Surgical scaring, DNA profile on the body they have, with a separate DNA profile of the kidney. I'm sure they either already have or can get some of his DNA from the many children he sired.
I don't see a conspiracy. I believe they want to be sure the body they have is that of the asshole known as Osama Bin Laden. The body they have will be tested for everything from fingerprints to DNA. Will also be interesting to see if any of his family members will try to claim it.
At least one huge difference between the news article we read here is in the article they make claims he has been dead for a while but they have no body whereas the US Gov . now claims we just killed him and we do have his body. Now the testing takes place. We shall see

Posted: May 02 2011, 4:09 AM

212219 The body has been buried at sea. Sounds horribly convenient . . .
Marked One

Posted: May 02 2011, 6:06 AM

137229 "even though Pakistan has many desperately poor people, only about half of whom have been supportive of bin Laden."

Because $25 million is just that easy to spend when you're dead. You know, by terrorist sympathisers who kill you for taking down a leader.

Posted: May 02 2011, 7:37 AM

8067 Based on the photo that was retracted because it could not be confirmed that it was indeed Osama, I'd say that it's the guy who played Fatty-Osama who died ..

Posted: May 02 2011, 8:12 AM

64210 To me the most compelling argument for all this being fake the silly talk the US government is just now releasing this to boost Obama's ratings is that all these "facts" are from 2001-2002. Why wouldn't George W. Bush use them for his re-election campaign in 2004? The timing would be perfect! We're expected to believe Obama is using it for that but Bush wouldn't? Furthermore, why wouldn't the Republicans, most importantly Cheney, use it in 2008 to defeat Obama and keep a Republican in office? They were coming under attack that the two wars were a huge failure and Bin Laden was still out there. You think they would instead give this huge victory to a black Democrat? This is of course all speculation...just like that article.

Posted: May 02 2011, 9:59 AM

8067 Anonymous 6412 and Anonymous 64210 :
You are the same entity, right ?
May I ask who signs your pay-check every month ?
Or the IP you are posting from ?

Posted: May 02 2011, 10:57 AM

76115 Peter.
Deny ignorance.

Posted: May 02 2011, 11:03 AM

65217 im with peter....must have the agents out in full force today,,,,lol

Posted: May 02 2011, 11:11 AM

8067 Hello Anonymous 76115 ..
Are you the same Anonymous as 6412 and 6410 ??

Posted: May 02 2011, 11:19 AM

Bin Laden has been dead for a long time. The media will do it's job of waving a dead man at us and the war mongers are getting excited. "Look over here, look over here!" instead of looking at our failing economy and the federal reserves failing fiat dollar. Keep your eyes open for a false flag attack here in the grand old USA soon. The US of israhell need a new World War. The time is well past for all of us to just say NO and turn our back to the idiots who presume to be our leaders and leave them standing alone.

Posted: May 02 2011, 11:20 AM

201251 This entire psychological operation proves one thing: A man can indeed be killed twice. If anyone has any doubts about the alleged killing of Osama Bin Laden, the manner of disposal makes it clear: Out of respect for Islam, these fascists claim, they will bury him at sea within TWENTY-FOUR hours. They removed the evidence showing that they, rogue elements within the USA government, are the architects of 9/11. Now this. Time for violent, well-planned, revolution, I say.

Posted: May 02 2011, 1:51 PM

299 Wheres the hard EVIDENCE/PROOF that Osama Bin Laden was killed yesterday by US forces?

Sorry to say this but some of the things im hearing over the last 24hours have raised doubts, the quick burial at sea for me is a BIG doubt for me!

Remember when Saddam was 'captured' they released photos of the man with a heavily grown beard, SO CAN THE US RELEASE EVIDENCE/PROOF this is actually TRUE?

Timing of this is also conspicous, Obama's popularity for the upcoming elections was dwindling to the point he may not return for a 2nd term!

His popularity now surely will turn around and give him a huge opportunity for a 2nd term, im open to both sides but without evidence/pics ANYONE could claim this!

I find it hard to believe he was walking around Pakistan freely without any attention or someone reporting a sighting! Bin Laden had a HUGE reward on his head for information that would lead to his capture/death!

Im skeptical about it, SHOW US EVIDENCE please!

Posted: May 02 2011, 2:05 PM

19275 The day of his killing is also important.. 2 May 2011.. That adds up to 7/11

Posted: May 02 2011, 2:15 PM

299 Just seen on the 'news' that Bin Ladens DNA matched his relatives 'virtually 100%'

So wait a minute is that 100% or less then?

Im sure when it comes to a DNA match it would be clear whether or not it really was Bin Laden, also I dont understand how there doesnt seem to be any other evidence particulary Photographic that indeed he was shot and killed!

You would at least expect to see a picture of Osama's face after he was shot and killed?

I keep my options open, I dont believe everything I see on the news!

Im not a sheep who would listen to anything, show the people of the USA and the World hard Evidence that he was killed yesterday in a firefight!

If nothing is released then how is this expected to be taken seriously?

Obama's speech last night seemed meticulously planned, im sure time/effort was put into that!

The news broke very late and you would think a speech like that wouldnt have been so thorough!

Hmmm, I dunno part of me feels this could be BS just to try and save Obama for a 2nd term!

I was also surprised to see how quickly people just listened to the news without any evidence and began to celebrate/party in the streets!

Posted: May 02 2011, 2:19 PM

8067 Maybe NOW Alex Jones understands how he got brain-fucked
with the idiotic birther-pdf ??

Posted: May 02 2011, 2:45 PM

FYI, DNA evidence takes ~48 hours to develop a positive match, 24 hours to develop a negative match. The media reported DNA had confirmed it in literally some of the first articles which were released, that's in well under 24 hours.

Posted: May 02 2011, 2:58 PM

299 I watched the interviews at the White House, you could tell (in my opinion) with their body language that they werent telling the press the truth!

How after 'intelligence' operations I took about 10 YEARS to finally pinpoint his location!?

Also the compound they are talking about, the advisor mentioned that there was high walls with barb wire all around the compound! It was built in 2005 supposedly also!

Now surely with that in mind people are beint told that this operation took as long as 5 years or so until they finally 'found and killed Bin Laden' Hmmmm...

For me at the moment something doesnt add up, the press asked several times about what proof/evidence would be put forward to 'end conspiracy theories' interesting how conspiracy theory comes up!

I hope it is true and they show the American people and the world proper evidence, this DNA 99.9% match took less than 24 hours?

As another poster stated above it would take longer than a day im sure to verify the DNA was Bin Ladens!

Also they are telling American people to be on their guard again, so is another attack planned/on the cards?

I will ALWAYS be skeptical until proof is shown, Governments LIE to their people sadly!

And they can deny it all they like but sadly its a fact!


Posted: May 02 2011, 3:17 PM

299 The press were also told that a 'firefight ensued'

Then the press were told that Bin Laden 'shielded' himself with his wife?

Come on really!?

Now im sorry but if there was a firefight in the mansion compound say in a room how the hell can there be a firefight if Bin Laden was shielding himself with his wife in front of him?

I dont think the situation would have been a firefight in that case somehow!?

Thats seems very cowardly also, Bin Laden im sure wouldnt hide behind anyone and would resist any attempt on his or his family's life by returning fire!

Maybe this far fetched story could be 'true' then again maybe it could also be 'BS!' its all up in the air unless real proof is released!

I personally would find it hard to believe that if American forces burst into a room Bin Laden would 'shield' himself with his wife?

What also wasnt explained is how Bin Laden's son was also suppisedly killed!?

The TV pictures of the compound showed it engulfed in flames!

It looked like it was completely 'torched'

Why would that be if they wanted Evidence to show/prove that this really was Bin Laden's hideout?

Posted: May 02 2011, 3:20 PM

8067 Quote Chris : *FYI, DNA evidence takes ~48 hours to develop a positive match, 24 hours to develop a negative match. The media reported DNA had confirmed it in literally some of the first articles which were released, that's in well under 24 hours. *

So ?
Neither Tower had 'collapsed' before the culprit was 'identified' ...
Lee Harvey O'Patsy was identified as the assassin even before he was arrested !!

Posted: May 02 2011, 3:30 PM

299 DNA would also be all over the compound/mansion's location that would prove whether or not Bin Laden and his family were there!

Fingerprints/Hair etc.

It will be interesting to see if they show evidence to prove beyond doubt that everything they 'claim' is really true!

Until then I remain uncovinced and believe that this could be a publicity stunt for Obama so he can win a 2nd term!

And to anyone that says its 'true' I say 'prove it' then I will make my decision, You CANNOT claim to have killed an individual unless you have full evidence/proof!

If that complex was really Bin Ladens hodeout im sure there would have been lots of intel/evidence that they could release to show the world that theor claims are true, until they do that my personal opinion is that its most likely fabricated or even Lies!
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