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Analysis posted Nov 02 2010, 5:05 PM Category: Commentary Source: InformationLiberation Print

You Can't Complain If You *Did* Vote

Chris | InformationLiberation

One of the most common sayings among statists and government people is "you can't complain if you didn't vote."

The idea is, if you didn't try to influence the machinery of the state, then you have no right to complain about what the machinery of the state does to you against your will.

The idea is, of course, laughable on it's face.

As with all statist memes, the reality is the opposite. You can't complain if you *did* vote!

Why? Because, *gasp* you voted for it!

By taking part in the state's voting ritual, you affirm the legitimacy of the system, you tell the government how you want the state's machinery to run, you say how you want to force people to live.

By not voting, you are voicing your displeasure with the system, you are showing it has no validity in your life, you're showing it's irrelevant and the system is an illegitimate fraud.

The biggest constituency in America is not republicans or democrats, the biggest constituency is non-voters! Whether it be because they don't care, don't have the time, don't think their vote counts for jack squat, or think voting is inherently immoral because it involves telling strangers how to live, the non-voter is the largest voter! They're voting not to take part in the state's charade!

Certainly an argument could be made, "I don't want the state to rob from me etc., so therefor I try to minimize it's damages."

That's all fine and dandy, but for the average voter, I think it's likely they go in the booth with the intent of trying to tell other people how to live. Of course, they get the oppressive nanny state they ask for, and when it comes to burn them, all the sudden they start to complain. Not enough to actually question the system, just enough to go back next election and vote for some other clown who tells them everything they want to hear and talks to them like an idiot. While I would never actually say they "can't complain if they did vote," the fact of the matter is, if anyone has any less of a right to complain, it's voters, not non-voters. You don't grant someone the right to rule over you and then complain because they don't do everything you want, that they would act in their own best interests, and not yours, is to be expected. If you only did the same, we wouldn't be in this horrible mess.

I did not vote in this election out of principle, previously I never voted because I just didn't care, the reality is the same regardless. I do not grant the system any authority, nor do I grant the goon-squad government any legitimacy. The state is a gang of robbers and thieves writ large, they have absolutely no right to tell anyone else how to live, they have absolutely no right to expropriate their neighbors wealth, and they have absolutely no right to threaten their neighbors with guns if they don't comply with their arbitrary dictates. That a group of strangers voted for them to do it changes nothing.
Chris runs the website He doesn't believe in government by goon-squad and instead wishes to live in a free society. You can read more of his commentary here.

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Posted: Nov 02 2010, 5:58 PM

24149 So... do you have any kind of productive alternative?

Posted: Nov 02 2010, 6:15 PM


Posted: Nov 02 2010, 7:27 PM

24150 I've been saying this for 20 years or more.

If you vote you are saying you are happy to go along with the game.

Rather like a mouse deciding which cat it wants to be eaten by.

imagine if the voting turnout was about 5% - even the politicians would be unable to spin that into a 'mandate'

Don't vote, it's the only way to undermine the rigged political games.

Posted: Nov 03 2010, 1:48 AM

196213 This is absolutely true. I am a South African, and i always hear people complaining about poor (non existent) local government services.
O, and guess what?! Those are the same people that just goes back and vote for the same government, EVERY time!
How stupid can one get?

Wouldn't it be great, if the "None Voting" masses could start a party of their own? I bet we will give those airbags a run for their money.
Comedy Freak

Posted: Nov 03 2010, 6:12 AM

178167 Check Out George Carlin on voting

He says it better than ANYONE!!!

Posted: Nov 03 2010, 9:18 AM

128186 I have mixed feelings on this. I understand the idea of not voting, and I agree with that for positions of power, but what about amendments and propositions? Some of that stuff can be detrimental to society if they pass without attempts to stop it.

Posted: Nov 03 2010, 9:50 AM

5010 Right on the money. The main stream media has been telling us for months that the house stands to be lost, but the senate would remain in democrat control. Were they perceptive or simply stating a pre arranged outcome? I say the later.

Our voting system is simply a mass deception that amounts to witchcraft. Think about how this phony hoopla actually makes people emotionally high or low, depending on your level of state indoctrination. It appeases the people by making them feel and believe they can steer this sinking ship of a country.

Posted: Nov 03 2010, 10:54 AM


Posted: Nov 03 2010, 12:32 PM

216228 I agree with this article 100 percent. Republicans in the majority never reverse the legislative damage done by the previous Democratic congress.Two mainstream factions hold America in their hands and argue over how much pressure is sufficient to choke the nation to death. Common sense informs you that the present system can be broken if sufficient numbers of Americans refuse to comply with the fraud. If we quit voting. Such abstinence would be tantamount to this notice to politicians: since we as individuals have decided to look after our affairs, your services are no longer needed. ~~And as long as we leave God out of the solution, we will never find the solution.


Posted: Nov 03 2010, 12:41 PM

17367 @5010, Your're correct. Just to be positive -- when I woke up this morning, I put my t.v. on abc, then NBC; the same people -- same lies -- same paradigm....
@128186, the propositions are rigged to result in the same outcome.
In California we had Prop. 23. A "yes" vote would have repealed AB32, the global warming "solution."

AB32 will: cap and trade private water rights, Eminent Domain the land above all public "private" water, force all semi-trucks -- over 5 years old -- to be removed from our roads, and force all farm equipment to be updated -- to pass stricter E.P.A. regulations.

But...A yes vote would have also resulted in: lining the pockets of OPEC, continuing to fund the war against ourselves, killing our soldiers, and extending the USSA-empire.

Do you see? BIG GOVERNMENT wins in either choice.

Posted: Nov 03 2010, 1:41 PM

8196 Way to go Chris.

Posted: Nov 04 2010, 1:08 AM

207228 no. If you don't vote you're mindlessly accepting what other people are choosing for you. By voting you're actually taking a stance. Yes, the government is a big machine that is hard to change, but if you really want to change things, take the time to run for office, or vote for the Greens. If all of the people who didn't vote actually voted the same way, they could change things however they wanted.

Posted: Nov 04 2010, 12:30 PM

6962 For the first time in my life, I did not vote. The effect has been surprisingly liberating. It is like taking your first step away from religion. They are both cult like. Once you are on the outside, you can begin to see more clearly.

Posted: Nov 04 2010, 1:02 PM

18436 There is nothing about voting that affirms the legitimacy of the system. That's just BS association that people have made up. You are merely using a feeble weapon that your oppressors have given you. If someone tosses you into an arena with a lion and gives you a dagger, do you refuse to use the dagger to defend yourself because that affirms the legitimacy of tossing you into an arena with a lion? Hell no, you defend your life as best you can. Anything else is retarded.

Posted: Nov 04 2010, 1:04 PM

18436 On the other hand, voting for a Democrat or a Republican is a vote for the system, which definitely does affirm its legitimacy

Posted: Nov 04 2010, 1:18 PM

137118 What do you suppose we do other than vote?
Not voting is a extremely good way to ensure that only statists and socialists get elected, because they rally their troops to vote, union members are required to vote and are told whom to vote for for instance.
Not voting is the surest road to hell for this country, plain and simple, and encouraging people to not vote only proves you are one of those statists trying to quell the fire that is turning this country around.

Posted: Nov 04 2010, 3:27 PM

If you want to vote, I am not going to stop you. I strongly believe the system is going to collapse in on itself soviet-style, socialism always fails because they eventually run out of other people's money. When the Fed is openly buying it's own debt, you know the system is coming to an end very soon.

The problem with voting is government as an institution is immoral, it postulates you have the right to force your neighbor to live a certain way simply because you want them to. Their rights are irrelevant because you claim the right to violate them simply by voting for it. That's not an ethical, moral, nor realistic system for any sort of free society.

All we do is take principles to their logical conclusions. Stealing is wrong when your neighbor does it, it's wrong when the government does it. Killing people is wrong when your neighbor does it, it's wrong when the government does it. The obvious conclusion is government does not have some super human authority nor super human aura of legitimacy in all the criminal actions it takes, it doesn't matter how many people voted for them to do it, it doesn't matter how seemingly legitimate nor how long the scam has gone on, it's inherently criminal and inherently immoral.

So, how do you have a society without one gang of thugs (a government) ruling everything?

That's where anarcho-capitalism/private-law/voluntarism/libertarian anarchism comes into the picture. They simply point out how our entire society is organized by free market voluntary exchanges and an innate recognition of property rights, and the same way we get bread through voluntary trade we could get law and order through voluntary trade with private courts, private insurance in case of bad things happening, voluntary associations and voluntary exclusions of bad people who we don't want to associate with or who don't play by the rules of a civil society, etc. This system is systemically ethical and moral because it forces no one to do anything and violates no one's rights. All services would be provided voluntarily and competitively on the free market based off incentive, not force and violence like we have now.

Most people act in their best interests, they choose to buy what food they want, they choose where they want to live, they choose what job they want, what type of car they want, they choose every purchase they make based off their own wants and desires, they can choose what type of insurance they want and what type of court system they want to be under as well.

I think in a free society it's very likely everyone would basically have to buy insurance in order to have a job, take part in business deals, and engage in general civility with general protections for all based off their voluntary acquisition of insurance. The insurance companies could run the courts competitively and whoever the people decided they liked the best would get the majority of their money (voluntarily) the other insurance companies could compete to provide a better service and we'd see law and order improving consistently, the same way we see computers, electronics, technology, etc. improving constantly through open competition on the free markets.

This should not even be a foreign idea, imagine where we'd be with computers if the industry was nationalized and a committee of bureaucrats had to vote on everything, then some government workers went to work on carrying out their plans, obviously we'd be nowhere and computers would horrible and insanely expensive. Well, that's what we have in all the industries government has nationalized, namely courts, police, national defense, "social security," education, health insurance, it's too much to even list. Just think of everywhere which is horrible, it's all due to government.

We need private law and order and private competition, imagine if the government nationalized the shoe making industry 200 years ago, "thou shalt provide for the general shoefare," was written in the constitution. Obviously, they'd all be horrible, they'd all be one color and only the "most efficient" as judged by a team of bureaucrats would be produced.

Imagine if someone proposed privatizing the industry, people would be screaming "but how will people decide what color to make them!? How will they decide what material to use!? How will they make shoes for everyone if they don't have trillions in government subsidies?! How could the free market provide good shoes, their only motive is profit!! If we have a completely unregulated free shoe-market, how will we prevent one company from taking over the whole industry and gouging everyone?!"

Well, of course we see the same rhetoric today. It will change though, it has to, the whole world is not going to go under this communist system simply because it's too wasteful and any territory which takes a stand against it will have all the world's capital flow into it, capital eventually flows where it's best allocated. The dam will break and we'll get freedom again, it's just a matter of time, it's our responsibility to hurry the process along through inciting an ideological shift in people's minds, not through simply voting!

Posted: Nov 04 2010, 4:41 PM

166137 @Author
you have problems. You want everyone to know that you voted but only because you wanted to and not to provide legitimacy to the electoral process. But in the process of voting you in fact did provide legitimacy to that process.
Listen ... voting matters. An informed voter who is active in government and takes the time to understand the issues and communicate his or her concerns with his or her elected officials is the most effective constituency. Non voters are nothing more than lost and voiceless souls forever doomed to perpetual feeling of hopelessness in the system. By not voting, you're not objecting ... you're just showing everyone how stupid you are.

Posted: Nov 04 2010, 5:32 PM

17326 Not voting would have a real effect if the news actually mentioned the voting percentage, or if the outcome was decided based on the entire population rather than only the population that is voting.

Once the majority stopped voting, there could be no President, no senators. If you can't get the majority of the country to follow you, it doesn't matter if your side was bigger than the other side, because you are still only representing a minority of the population.

Of course, the major problem with electing anyone is the sheer volume of information needed to make the correct choice, some of which (namely, how they will act in the future) is impossible to acquire. Without some way of holding people to their campaign promises, they can say whatever will get them in office and then continue to profit off the system with no effort.

I could list many more problems, but without solutions, they would mean very little.

--An optimist believes we are living in the best possible world. The pessimist fears that this is true.

Posted: Nov 04 2010, 10:13 PM

when you register to vote all of your property is aliened for life. the only votes you have that count are your fork and your fraudulent reserve notes
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