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Article posted Nov 23 2006, 12:57 AM Category: Tyranny/Police State Source: The Vancouver Sun Print

Couple accidentally dials 911, hangs up -- Police respond by breaking their door down, threatening them with tasers, breaking their ribs, and forcibly jailing them

Couple plan to sue RCMP over 911 reaction
Joanna Habdank, North Shore News


NORTH VANCOUVER - A North Vancouver couple has complained to District of North Vancouver council and said they will sue the North Vancouver RCMP after officers responded to their hang-up 911 call by breaking down their door, making a forceful arrest and jailing them overnight when the couple refused to allow a house-search.

The RCMP said, however, that in this case, federal policy commands a home-check, designed to ensure public safety.

North Vancouver resident Marget Lieder said that in the early evening of Oct. 25 she was having wine with her partner and a guest when she misdialed the emergency number, meaning to call 411 instead. After promptly hanging up, the police contacted her, saying two officers were dispatched and warned her her home would be searched to confirm she wasn't in danger.

"I don't want my privacy to be invaded just because I misdial a number," she said. Once the officers arrived, she only spoke to them on her porch, refusing entrance. "They didn't have a search warrant and they didn't have anything to do in my house."

She insisted she had nothing to hide and there was no cause for distress. Three more officers arrived shortly after, broke down the door and arrested Lieder and her partner, Larry Pierce, for obstruction of justice, she said.

"I was sitting on the couch. They stuck a Taser in my face, threatening me with 50,000 volts," said Pierce, a well-known lawyer. "They threw me on the floor, twisted my left arm. A police officer stuck his knee into my ribs and jumped on me." Later he found out that his two ribs were cracked, recalled Pierce. The couple said the officers began taping them right away even though their rights weren't read until they were in the car. Once in jail, Pierce remembered he was interrogated for over an hour.

North Vancouver RCMP Const. John MacAdam said police are obliged to search the premises after a hang-up 911 call. Pierce maintained his rights were violated and he will go ahead with a lawsuit.


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Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 1:33 AM

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21050 Thats fucking terrible..
Stroller

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 2:39 AM

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213152 More terrible would be if someone had a gun to her head and the police allowed her to send them away. If she'd been sober when this occurred then she'd have realised that allowing her house to be searched was the only sensible precaution under the circumstances. In refusing the police access to her house Lieder & Pierce were obstructing them in their duty... in the RCMP's duty to Lieder & Pierce themselves.

Stroller.
ZipZoom

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 4:04 AM

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62161 To me, searching the house is a sensible policy... Like Stroller said... That way when you have a real problem, you just have to dial 911 and you know helpp is the way, no need to talk...

The only stupid thing is to have a valid "411" number. What the heck is that? Can't the x11 number be kept for emergencies?
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 6:00 AM

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83161 The NWO mindless slave police at the door..
maybe it is time for a nation wide revolution
before the prison closes (borders) and people are transported to US-concentration-torture-destruction camps.

This is real
the capacity of the camps is over 8 milion people
just use the bigbrother cache database (google) and find out for yourself.
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 8:30 AM

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8464 Stroller and Zip Zoom. I love the way you think searching the house is justified to confirm she isn't in danger. You may be right.

But I'm having trouble understanding how threatening to taser someone, throwing them to the floor and breaking their ribs by kneeling on them does the same. Then again I'm not American so I'm obviously missing something.
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 9:12 AM

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86143 haha

you live in a police state

stupid americans
E40

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 9:13 AM

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21413 I understand the need to search the house to guard against the "intruder hiding in the closet threatening to kill your wife/kid/dog unless you 'get rid of the cops' " situation, but it sounds like they took it a bit far.

As for the "US concentration camps", did you notice that this took place in Canada?
Canuck01

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 9:27 AM

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64201 haha

86.143.XXX.XXX you dont know your geography

stupid foreigners
Guy from USA

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 9:55 AM

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68193 Same shit happening in America. Cops just killed a 92 year old woman in Atlanta. they had a search warrant and when they knocked she did not let them in so they smashed the door down. She had a pistol and wounded 3 officers as they rushed in. They killed her when they fired back.

This searching the place is actually an outgrwoth of the battered women's movement. If a woman being threatened dials 911 and hangs up, the cops are told to specifically not take her word that she is safe, on the chance that she is being coerced to send them away. So the bottom line is if you dil 911 (or if your toddler dials 911) tidy up the house because it is very hard to get the cops to go away without showing them the interior of the house.
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 10:42 AM

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205205 This is not surprising; the RCMP are trained in Regina, the city that has the highest crime rate in Canada…
Pat

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 11:04 AM

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24235 I live in Ottawa, Ontario. Strangely enough, when my son (at 4 years old) learned about 911 emergency services, he called it that night while in another room. When they answered, he hung up. A 911 operator called back, I answered to, "DON'T HANG UP!" I explained that there was no emergency (I'm male, if that means anything) and it was likely one of my children had called (somebody was looking guilty). That was the end of the episode. No police officers visited my home. Seems to me the Vancouver experience is not a national one for 911 hang-ups.
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 11:25 AM

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7498 oops
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 12:07 PM

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7470 It's a good policy they should be allowed to come because in many cases the attacker would force the victim to hang up.
I also dont think we are getting the full story, i dont think police would beat you down unless you were being violent and not co-opertaive.

I don't like popo states, but I'm not a naive idiot either. If you co-operate then they usualy dont give you shit. If you act like a criminal people will think you are one and its your own doing.
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 12:41 PM

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7267 Same kind of thing happen to me in Southern California when my girlfriend accidently pressed the panic button on our alarm. Three cop cars showed up, entered our place, started shouting like some special ops wacko's and ordered us around. We didnt have broken rips but the moron cops did say the next step if we hadnt responded faster would my choppers and swap. And I live in a yuppie city with little crime!

These police today all think they are pumped up special ops killa's ready to kick some citizen a***. It's unreal, they are being trained like jack booted thugs of nazi germany, literally.
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 1:21 PM

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20991 like a friendly copy is a useful cop. they did their job, and probably were a little quick to put the guy to the ground but they can do that legally.

also for a lawyer, he should know you don't have to be read your rights to be arrested; and should be aware of the 8 exceptions the rcmp have for going in without a warrant.
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 1:44 PM

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20991 The police were following protocol in going into the residence, and I agree with it. The abuse the residents faced though is completely another matter, and the officers involved should be punished.

I personally feel the first time a cop oversteps his authority, he should be removed of those rights, no if ands or but. Given the authority they have, unless they are responsible about it 100% of the time, they do not deserve the right.
steven

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 2:50 PM

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This is absurd. Ok, they did follow 'protocol' to go to the house, but the actions taken were not needed.
Anonymous

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 2:51 PM

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216211 Oh come on!!! Give me a break already.
Police did the right thing.


I could not agree more with Stroller.

I'm from Texas, USA

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 3:04 PM

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69153 FUCKING PIECES OF SHIT COPS
PWBDecker

Posted: Nov 23 2006, 4:04 PM

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15420 You read about things like this taking place all the time in the USA, and though it shocks and disgusts me every time, there's this mentality that "Oh, I live in Canada, this kind of thing couldn't happen to me." But then you read something like this, and I live in Vancouver. I worked in the very same neighbourhood this took place in, and this scares the shit out of me.
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