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Analysis posted Oct 04 2010, 9:59 PM Category: Politics/Corruption Source: InformationLiberation Print

Government Lets Citizen's House Burn Down Over $75 Fee

Chris | InformationLiberation

This story is being reported all over the place. I see absolutely nowhere confirming this was in any way a privately run fire department. Instead this "fee" was for residents slightly outside of their tax jurisdiction, it was optional to get their "services" to their state run fire department.

To assume any private organization, which is only charging $75 a year, would not put the fire out when the man could so clearly compensate them well over $75 is absolutely ridiculous (especially considering they were already there for his neighbor).

Regardless, libertarians/anarcho-capitalists believe the fire departments should be run by the fire insurers, because they have a direct incentive to minimize damages to peoples homes because they will have to pay out the more damage is done. The fire insurance company told the man they would fulfill his policy in full, I assure you they would have rather paid some firefighters to minimize the damages instead.

It should also be noted, "government" is the agency which claims to be here to help and motivated by things other than the "evil" profit motive. While I have no qualms with the idea "you get what you pay for," and hold no sense of entitlement to other people's labor, statists *do* have a sense of entitlement to others labor and they praise the nature of the state because it's "above" the profit motive and is somehow only motivated by love for their fellow man. This shows so clearly the supposedly altruistic "public servants" don't give a damn. - Chris

I saw this watching Keith Olbermann's show, he said it was what life would be like if the tea party wins, implying this is some perfect example of the evils of libertarianism.

Of course, the opposite is true.

This is what happens when you let the government run your "protection" services. They let your house burn down despite you saying you'll pay them for their services. That's the spiteful, disgusting nature of an entitled government parasite.

Olbermann asked the man whose house burned down if insurance was going to pay for it, the man said indeed "they were going to take care of him" and fulfill his policy. Olbermann cut him off right after, I guess it didn't suit his "evil capitalist" narrative.

WPSD Local Reports:
OBION COUNTY, Tenn. - Imagine your home catches fire but the local fire department won't respond, then watches it burn. That's exactly what happened to a local family tonight.


The Cranicks told 9-1-1 they would pay firefighters, whatever the cost, to stop the fire before it spread to their house. [Emphasis added]

"When I called I told them that. My grandson had already called there and he thought that when I got here I could get something done, I couldn't," Paulette Cranick.

It was only when a neighbor's field caught fire, a neighbor who had paid the county fire service fee, that the department responded.

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Update: Here is the Olbermann clip:

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Posted: Oct 04 2010, 10:46 PM

646 This isn't news. They didn't pay and got every pennies worth.

Posted: Oct 04 2010, 10:55 PM

It's definitely news, it's being reported everywhere as some example of the evils of capitalism when it's in reality a perfect example of the evils of socialism and government "services." Unless someone can confirm this was a privately run fire department, this is practically a hoax.

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 1:56 AM

Chris, you should join forces with the guy related (by family connexion) to Robert Murdoch and who formerly was on friendly terms with a certain jew-hater from France (doesn't take a capitalist to figure out that rift was manufactured).
i think you two would get along pretty well - you're both equally screwed up, equally childishly bright-eyed in your thinking, equally lacking in humanity and you both prefer an artificial system over nature, and indeed despise nature. You are both equally deliberately serving the system, and i wouldn't be surprised if your masonic degree was of equal level.

And i've tried arguing with both of you, getting nothing but the official line in reply, total inability to even try and adapt your arguments to a wider picture. You both are sick.

i don't know, man. i just read that diatribe of yours for this article and you're getting more virulent and unreflecting and unreasoning every day. Just know that some people can see through you.

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 2:25 AM

Explain how it's wrong.

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 3:47 AM

71114 Why would anyone need to pay a "fire service fee" to a tax feeding organization? Oh, wait! Thats right. Taxes are for control and "nudging" not, right? Not so actually support anything.

The whole idea here is that the government lies to you and tells you it is here to help you and make you more secure. In truth, it probably started out that way. But, then, evil see the chance to plant the seed of corruption. Once that seed takes root, the tendrils of evil take place inside the government and it becomes only a monster with a desire to bleed you dry and control you. This is why the founders saw small government as the answer. Not big enough to give you much. Small enough to stay out of your way. The founders were wise. We ignore their examples at our peril.

This is just another example of the lies told to us by government.

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 5:05 AM

freedom_man sure is a funny name for a guy who wants to make rules for everyone and order them around at gunpoint

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 5:19 AM

<In truth, it probably started out that way.- 71114>

in the case of the american government it was founded by slave owners, the founding fathers were freemasons and occultists and puppets at that acting for the projected power of the british crown. that is to say it was a mafia enterprise from the ground up, that is evidenced in the design and from my reading of books on this it was with the foreknowledge of true history, how to have humankind enslaved and at war with itself. i read books that were produced to support the government, to explain how it was designed and why in order to support the government, not one of them succeeded, by simple logic it was an impossible task.

america was built on a history we all inherited but one where the truth has not been told to people in a format comprehensible by all.

i think many of the spoken aims resonated with people's hearts, including in many of those who were practitioning the con.

bags are searched on entry to government buildings, there is a reason for this, it is about the general public and nothing to do with 'al qaeda'.

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 6:59 AM

71114 Thanks Dave, for your conspiracy theories on the founding of our country. Too bad there are few real facts that support it other than those manufacture by people who want to further discredit the founders. Those are the same people who wish to enslave us. Thanks for reminding us that there are people who are so hopelessly anti-American that they almost seem pro-American by the way they point out about the evils of our founders.


Posted: Oct 05 2010, 11:44 AM

people were manipulated by other people, some of the issues i presented are a matter of public record. i have very little time on the net, i will try to put it another way:

if i was to ask people if there should be a law againt murder i suspect there would be many rather few that would say this would be a good idea despite the enormity of the consequences.

i examine that question with a mind that recognises i live on a planet that is subjected to computerised brainwashing, stress, continuous assault. i am not immune to these things, my own mind has had but a few years of practice at freedom of thought. for such reasons i examine reality, past and present only to find systematic repression and murder built by and protected by law. at this very moment law is a war by 'sanctions' against iran, in the wider context, potentially billions are threatened.

it is one thing to think something, it can be another when living it. i have found learning by experience of immense value, often especially through errors. the notion of protection therefore is not just an amplification of human nature but an amplifier of its worst traits as it creates ignorance.

i view freedom of speech as being key, ideas rather than people can stand or fall through discussion.

innevitably at this time there will be repressed anger emerging. it risks error by personallising issues but i was very moved by recent experiences in america. i refer not to the construct 'america' but by the people there. i met many people, it is quite something that i would like to meet all of them again. the US is a defacto dictatorship, it is there in the words by foundation though in political language there are often two meanings.

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 11:53 AM

executive order 11110 is of relevance

"The Colonies would have gladly borne the little tax on tea and other matters had it not been that England took away from the Colonies their money, which created unemployment and dissatisfaction. The inability to issue their own money permanently out of the hands of King George III and the international bankers was the prime reason for the Revolutionary War." - franklin's autobiograpy

would a real king, a man who was master of his own life really do such a thing and do it alone?

i trauled quotes, i hadn't seen this one before, chris put it up:
"If a nation expects to be ignorant and free in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be." - Thomas Jefferson

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 5:33 PM

98150 1. Olberman is a shill, so getting worked up over what he says just plays into it.

2. The tea party is corrupted. It was great when it started, but anytime Palin, Beck and their croonies take the lead you know it no longer has the people's interests at heart.

3. You can't use this firefighter "story" to prove anything. We need social services to exist as a healthy functioning society, that doesn't make us socialists/communists. It's also incredibly small minded to try and use one instance to "prove" that one ideology is better than another.

We need to realize that an ideal healthy functioning democracy has elements of socialism built into it(military/hospitals/libraries/schools/etc). That does not mean we will go overboard and start lining up for radishes any time soon. What it does mean is you can't expect the private market to fix everything on it's own, as in many cases the need for "profit" overcomes the common good for the people.

There needs to be a balance between tax funded social services and free market economic policies, which take into account the populations best interests(not the bottom line's best interest) as the deciding factor.
To get this in place we need to reclaim our democracy from the special interest groups that control both sides of the debate.

Stop focusing so much on the petty squabbles of ideology and focus on the 2 ton Gorilla in the room that's pulling everyone's strings. We need a party that will remove money(lobbyists) from the political process and then we can get true change, a healthy democracy we can all be proud of.


Posted: Oct 05 2010, 5:49 PM

Do you have any idea what's driving our country into the ground? I'll give you a clue: it's not the evil greedy private sector which creates all the wealth.

I think you need to find out how all taxes are acquired, like someone said in the thread on reddit, if you don't pay your taxes "the police don't show up to your house with muffin baskets."

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 6:21 PM

98150 If you're truly oblivious enough to think the greed from the private sector doesn't create a huge part of the turmoil our nation faces I'm not sure what to say.

I think you're too hung up on a mental separation of the two, what you don't get is the private sector controls the govt through special interest groups and most importantly lobbyists. Until that changes you can argue ideological differences all you want, you won't make an actual difference in anything that matters.


Posted: Oct 05 2010, 7:01 PM

I think you're too hung up on a mental amalgamation of the two. What you don't get is the most evil people in society controlling the government is the guaranteed outcome of creating a monopolist "government" imbued with a total monopoly on violence and the final say in every dispute.

It is because I am against the government being run by criminals that I don't support the government.

It is because the institution is inherently criminal because it legalizes theft in the form of taxes that I take the principled stand that theft is wrong and therefor our entire society shouldn't be based around a system built from the ground up with stolen goods.

You think the negative aspects of giving a "government" a total monopoly on taxation and adjudication can be overcome by getting good people in power and applying some minor tweaks to the system.

I can look at history and see it's never been done once in the history of mankind, I see how people didn't understand markets before and how every service the government provides which people actually want could be provided today by the free market instead of through the through the barrel of a gun by a monopoly called government.

I believe everyone should interact based off mutual exchange and mutually beneficial trade.

You believe men with guns who call themselves the government should tell everyone what to do to keep society "orderly," and you fail to see the inherent contradiction.

Until *your* mind changes, you will just keep running around like some donkey chasing an unobtainable carrot on a stick.

I, on the other hand, am working to create a truly free society and view roadblocks in the way and mere trivialities to be dealt with as they come.

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 8:58 PM

98150 No not minor tweaks, drastic changes that involve the complete removal of money and lobbyists from the political process. Until that happens anyone who's voted in will be backed by the same financial interests who don't want whats best for this country.

If we can't solve that fundamental problem in our current democratic process nothing else matters as we'll forever be ruled by the criminals either covertly like now or overtly which I never want to see. The complete removal of govt at this point would only allow the criminals to rule by force in plain sight, and the outcome would be sickening.


Posted: Oct 05 2010, 9:38 PM

That's a nice little fantasy which the government has created to keep you corralled like a good little sheep. I suppose you think if we didn't have the whole national security state and troops in 150+ countries the terrorists would come and get us? If you don't entertain that propaganda, then you shouldn't entertain their propaganda that if there was no men with guns bossing everyone around "for their protection" then all hell would break loose. In actually, we'd have the most security society ever because people wouldn't be conned into some false sense of security. This comic just about sums it up:

Posted: Oct 05 2010, 9:43 PM

Also, per usual, you miss the reality of what's really going on in the world.

"The complete removal of govt at this point would only allow the criminals to rule by force in plain sight, and the outcome would be sickening."

That *is* what we have right now thanks to government, the only difference is the criminals have PR firms and wear suits instead of gang uniforms.

I love the idea that in anarchy some gang would run everything. News Flash: That's what the government is, the biggest most powerful gang in the society, and they run everything by threatening everyone with guns.

Take the rose colored glasses off and then we can start dealing with problems in the real world.

Posted: Oct 06 2010, 8:29 AM

<This shows so clearly the supposedly altruistic "public servants" don't give a damn. - chris>

the same oppression that is applied to enslave people is applied with much greater force inside the system. it is human nature to care, many do but the government is a unique mind control system, conspiracy is created by 'law', 'policy' and 'newspeak'. whilst this religion is believed in people will hurt each other even when it is in no one's best interest to do so. control is breaking down, the context of decision making is changing. if control is a lifestyle there will be some venom spewing out here and there, it is spewing out daily from the media in britain. people are in pain, it doesn't surprise me that losing to control is accompanied with the the most venomous rhetoric but the underlying reality is still there. those who are hooked on control need a leader as an excuse that the dictator can live on in their heads.
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