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Article posted Oct 18 2013, 4:31 PM Category: Tyranny/Police State Source: InformationLiberation Print

Men Could Face Felony Charges For Knocking Over Rock

Chris | InformationLiberation


Everything is a felony in the new America. In this story out of Goblin Valley State Park in Utah, some tax-slaves who pushed over a rock which was barely held in place by a patch of dirt may face second-degree felony charges.

The men say they thought they were doing the right thing.

From The Salt Lake Tribune:
Taylor said he knocked the boulder to the ground after seeing a family walk by on a nearby popular path. When he touched the rock, Taylor noticed it was loose.

"I put my hand on a rock and it moved," he said. "While we were sitting right there we thought, ‘Man if this rock falls it’ll kill them.’ I didn’t have to push hard."

Taylor said that at the time he thought he was doing a "civic service" by taking down a loose rock. However, as he walked back to his car, he began thinking that he should have contacted a ranger about the loose rock. He also said he wished he could take back his actions.
Will regret be enough? Will public shaming be enough? Or must these men be imprisoned and made to be "felons" because they pushed over an inanimate rock?
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Anonymous

Posted: Oct 20 2013, 10:17 AM

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75162 Edward Abbey was a self-proclaimed anarchist. I imagine he would have kicked some fat-boy ass if he had witnessed that stunt.
Nickel's 2bits

Posted: Oct 20 2013, 11:47 AM

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7147 But that, in synopsis, is the problem.

You're right that we have a lot of sociopaths among the authorities, unfortunately. But in an anarchy, the sociopaths don't go away. If they do a lot of damage to people now, imagine them when they are "freed" to rape, pillage and vandalize at their own will.

One of the fundamental disagreements I have with Libertarianism and anarchism, is that both assume everyone will be "reasonable" and not-sociopaths if only they are given their proper freedom. That all we must do is set a good example and everyone will fall in line. Nothing could be farther from the truth: Quite a large number of people reject good examples in favor of their own personal benefit, however they define that. I've personally seen a lot of instances of brutal self-interest (even if not outright violence) and my experience and intelligence tell me the government does not cause it; that it will always exist so long as there are people.

Now at least Libertarianism assumes an organized response to such threats; I think it means well even though I think it would prove unworkable. But anarchism assumes that any organized response is "government" and therefore anathema.

(In fact, anarchism must needs argue that there is no such thing as evil in a consensus form; if these 20 people say that person is "evil", then the 20 people are a government--and anathema. Because who are those 20 people to decide whether the 1 person's acts are evil; to restrict the acts of that person?)

As I see it, anyway.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 20 2013, 4:15 PM

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7177 There is a lot more to this story and it's available openly on the Web. How about liberating more information for your readers?
Anonymous in SLC

Posted: Oct 20 2013, 7:33 PM

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75162 @ Nickle's 2Bits:
You are worried about the safety of families in their homes? Do you care about the families and the environment (keeping on topic) in Afghanistan, or Iraq? There are unprincipled people in charge. There is nothing they won't do or sell for a dollar. No different than without gov't., except providing cover for it.
It believe we want the same things, but the elephant in the room is the rapidly expansive, costly and irresponsible beast that we have now.
Baby racoons are the cutest pets. When they come of age, they tear your house apart.
Nickle's, our pet raccoon has come of age. If minarchism worked, we would not be where we are today.




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Posted: Oct 21 2013, 5:59 AM

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98198 ‘Goblin’ topplers say they are receiving death threats

Ancient formation » Scolded by Boy Scouts, the three insist their actions were meant to save lives.

Besides facing possible felony charges for pushing over a "goblin" red rock formation, the Utah Boy Scout leaders responsible for the incident say they are receiving death threats from around the world.

Even national scout headquarters is condemning them and considering punishment.

In the day since the event became global news, Hall said he’s learned "state parks and national parks are very, very sacred to a lot of people.

duh - ya think?

More:
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57016443-78/park-state-rock-goblin.html.csp
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 21 2013, 3:57 PM

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72208 Goblin toppler cites "debilitating" injuries prior to viral video

ALPINE, Utah (ABC 4 Utah) – The man who is seen toppling over a goblin in Central Utah in a viral video online is found to have filed a personal injury lawsuit a month before the incident in which he said he has permanent and debilitating injuries.

Glenn Taylor, a Boy Scout troop leader, pushed over the massive rock at Goblin Valley State Park a week ago. Taylor filed the personal injury lawsuit last month.

http://www.4utah.com/story/goblin-toppler-cites-debilitating-injuries-prior-to-viral-video/d/story/YKY2b3A52UydGV_Dne9fOg
h1976

Posted: Oct 21 2013, 5:16 PM

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207155 We are subjected to hydrofluoric acid added to our water supplies, x-rayed by the TSA and the military drones people on the other side of the world whose primary form of transportation is their own two feet. All this and more done in the name of public safety by those who claim to have our best interest in mind. These men did this in the name of safety because they thought it was precarious.
If this rock had been located on land owned by a Native American Tribe the rock could soon be restored to it's previous position, if necessary it could be made secure by the efforts of a stone mason or other members of the building trades. Restoration would not be such a big deal.
Since this land is a state park I don't expect it will be treated much differently than if it was federal land. There will be a lot of complaining and this might be used to make a case for the state to claim that it needs more funding, or restrictions on public access to the park, but it is more than likely the rock will remain detached from its previous base.
People will now have the opportunity to look at the rock on the ground that was formerly known as the rock that was balanced on the dirt.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 21 2013, 5:46 PM

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72208 How the Utah rock tumble is connected to Jodi Arias

SALT LAKE CITY - If you followed the Jodi Arias trial this year, you may have noticed a familiar face pop up on the video that captured a boulder in Utah being toppled over.

That's right, your eyes weren't deceiving you: It was Dave Hall, one of Travis Alexander's good friends who spoke out regularly about the woman convicted of first-degree murder in May after stabbing, shooting and slitting the throat of the 30-year-old.


http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/national/how-the-utah-rock-tumble-is-connected-to-jodi-arias#ixzz2iOaMyYbd
Chris

Posted: Oct 24 2013, 1:15 PM

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Apparently they just filed a copyright complaint to get this video taken down! LOL! Now I'm angry!
avatarwayne

Posted: Oct 25 2013, 9:38 PM

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How Lao Tzu spoke it a while back, 'the more laws that are passed, the more criminals are made.' Solid evidence of wht government must be eliminated completely.
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