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Analysis posted Jul 23 2013, 11:14 AM Category: Tyranny/Police State Source: InformationLiberation Print

Grandfather Harassed By Cops For Watching His Grandchildren At Park

Chris | InformationLiberation

Everyone is a potential criminal in the new Amerika.

A good little citizen reports on a grandfather for watching what turned out to be his own grandchildren at the park, and the King's loyal servants arrive to harass him and force him to prove he's not a criminal.

Here's how he describes the incident:
I was minding my own business sitting at a park bench (the one in the video), trying to fix my frozen phone, and watching my grandchildren play. The Lompoc, California police showed up and said I was reported as "suspicious" for watching children at Ryon Park, local public park, and the cop asked what I was doing there. I told him I was watching three of my grandchildren play at the park. Then I said, "I'm going to remain silent. I want a lawyer. Now go away and leave me alone." After I got the phone to work, the cop asked me why I didn't start recording when they first showed up. I truthfully replied that "I couldn't see (the screen very well because it was sunny outside)." The cop got angry because I asserted my right to remain silent and said, "You don't have a right to a lawyer," and demanded I show ID. He said about three times, "If you don't show me your ID in three minutes, I will arrest you" and that the law said I had to show ID. That is about the time I got the video to record, and it is self-explanatory from there.
Innocent until proven guilty is now guilty until proven innocent.
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Posted: Jul 23 2013, 11:39 AM

70199 Great courage shown here by this man to these idiotic cops who only show how brainwashed they are as to the rights of citizens. They have to resort to the old canard "Don't you love America?" to excuse their invasion of this man's right to sit in a park and watch his grandchildren and not be suspected of some horrible act by some nearby but-in-ski neighbor who has nothing better to do than call the cops when her always suspicious mind sees nothing but danger around her due to the constant fear propaganda perpetrated by the media as a tool of the omnipotent government/tyrants.

If you want to know what the cops think about us, just go to POLICEONE.COM and read the comments under any article. Only LEOs are allowed to comment. You will be disgusted at what these so-called 'servants/protectors of the people think. They are more criminals than the people they chase down and arrest/harass.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 3:33 PM

687 70199 I hope more people follow your advice and wake up to the fact that the brainwashed,myopic cops [aka police state] and their view of the public and the current training trends accross this country are as wrong as you can get.the cops are the real threat to this country period!

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 3:48 PM

65110 Cops who quote "the law" without specifying which law they refer to... should be banned from the police force forever.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 3:54 PM

75145 Another instance of giving up all rights, showing the ID,showing everything in the pockets, showing them all they want, then venting all the way. The cops couldn't care less about venting. "You are harassing me" - yes they do, it's their own first amendment right, and it means nothing.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 4:11 PM

67169 Anonymous (75145), I was intentionally giving up my rights for illustrative purposes (I knew my right to remain silent, the police are supposed to quit asking questions when the right to a lawyer is asserted, and that I don't have to consent to a search). As for not showing ID, I didn't want my three grandchildren to be taken by CPS, but if I had been alone I wouldn't have even shown my ID (I usually don't carry it when not driving), and be arrested instead. I was actually showing that just because many of us just want to be left alone, that doesn't mean we have anything to hide or are committing a crime. I knew I had no drugs or gun or anything else that was illegal. I was showing that I was not only innocent of any wrongdoing for watching my grandchildren, but they were wasting their time trying to get anything else on me or requesting my ID, etc. Sorry, but the right to "vent" is also a First Amendment right. Speech you don't like is what the First Amendment is designed to protect. Even giving the police "the finger" is protected First Amendment activity.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 5:22 PM

68255 67169, thanks for your reply, and I sure completely understand your position, which is very valid. But still, I think that the net effect of your encounter was negative. If the cops have extracted any lesson from it, it's that their tactics worked beautifully, and indeed next time they will hesitate to use them even less. You have to pick up your battles. Yes, when you are with the kids, when your arrest can jeopardize your family, you better refrain from the conflict. If you are not in position to put up a fight you can carry on to the end, it's better not to start. Starting the conflict and then giving up is worse.


Posted: Jul 23 2013, 5:29 PM

68255 one more comment... to this:

" I was showing that I was not only innocent of any wrongdoing for watching my grandchildren, but they were wasting their time trying to get anything else on me or requesting my ID, etc."

Now look at this from their point of view. A citizen called with concern. Their job is to investigate (let's not go into "investigate _what_"). They came to the scene, and succeeded in their investigation, having overcome your initial resistance with thoughtful tactics. You started resisting, but in the end you completely gave up and showed them not only ID but even the pockets. They successfully completed their investigation and ensured no danger to anyone, which is great work on their behalf. I guess, if anything, they will be commended for this encounter by their superiors.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 5:36 PM

67169 69255, I hear what you are saying. I didn't start the fight. I was minding my own business. The busybody (I think I probably know her by sight because she kept walking past the park bench and looking at me) and the police started the fight (when the cop lied that I had no right to an attorney and angrily demanded my ID without legal cause). The cop only demanded my ID and threaten to arrest me (a threat to make a false arrest is offensive in and of itself) after I asserted my rights to be left alone. The police gave up and ran off, not me.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 5:54 PM

67169 68255, I didn't resist. Exercising the right to remain silent, demanding an attorney, and exercising First Amendment rights is not resisting. Anonymous calls are notoriously unreliable, and even the Supreme Court has recognized that fact. A smart cop would know that, and would have immediately left (or arrest me if they had cause), when I told them to leave me alone.

Corrupt cops in Lompoc are almost always "commended for their encounters," no matter how unlawful their actions are (and the Lompoc Police Department is somewhat corrupt), so that doesn't concern me.


Posted: Jul 23 2013, 7:08 PM

174234 "If I say I'm Muhammad Ali, does that make me Muhammad Ali?"
Sure it does, since language, like "statutory law," is a fake-believe / ever-changing" construct. getting people to believe he's Muhammad Ali, is his only obstacle, (it's history-revision time).

I was thinking about this so-called "new Amerika" today, how the douche-bags (aka: "government") have been pressing their "progress issues" too hard; so much, that people might start questioning the time-line.
I would suggest, that they should "slow-the-fuck-down!" If not, they just might piss-off their most forematable adversary - that would be: the people, in the "Red-White-and-Blue."

Poor grandfather, in this video... one would think he actually believes in the (so-called) "law"

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 8:03 PM

Hey quackn!

Great video thank you for sharing it, I thought you did an excellent job standing up to those costumed thugs!

I totally disagree with Anon it was somehow meaningless. Fact is the only reason anyone complies with these costumed criminals' demands is because they're being threatened with violence and being thrown into a cage. One day you don't show ID and they let you go, another day some sub 80 IQ moron arrests you and falsely charges you with "disorderly conduct" or "resisting arrest" and you have to go through hell fighting the charges in court (and hopefully in the media). If someone wants to take that risk, great, I'll support you %100, but you have to realize you're dealing with an armed criminal gang which can potentially murder you and get away with it.

Everyone openly expressing their disdain for these costumed criminals openly criminal threatening and intimidating behavior is absolutely essential to making the public realize police are not here to "protect and serve" the public but to "protect and serve" the state.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 8:14 PM

68255 By resisting I didn't mean physical resisting, such as arrest; by fight I did not mean any physical fight. I mean only resisting their intimidation. The moment they ask their 1st question, you have to make the decision: to submit, or to stand your ground. If it's the latter, then you have to do it to the end, which will be either their giving up and leaving, or arrest (there's also #3, featured in the famous article by Larken Rose "When should you shoot a cop", but it's very rarely used, should we say). There are no good intermediate options - if you start arguing but then give up, it's their victory, it's demonstration of their success, and the next time they only will be more aggressive. You have to be ready for both outcomes. Adam Kokesh is great example. If you can't "afford" the 2nd outcome, for which there can be numerous very valid reasons, like certainly in this case, it's strategically better go with #1 at once.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 8:29 PM

Here's why I disagree, quackn in this video took the middle-ground, and the cops look like f-ing a-holes (because they are f-ing a-holes). When you videotape your interactions with police, the interaction is not simply you with the cops; it's you, the cops, and the viewing public at large. Changing public perception is more important and more realistic than changing the actions of a career criminal.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 8:34 PM

68255 Chris, it all depends on the objective. If it's to decrease police abuse, whatever disdain is being expressed at the forums and blogs, does not really matter, mostly because the abusers are not even aware of it. In their eyes, in this case, they were dealing with bad guy, who fully deserved to be thrown in jail, and they were able to masterfully overcome his resistance. Go and read their own forums. It's totally different mindset. The only way to decrease their abuse is to score against them and make then step out with their tail between the legs.All their training and all their system of values is based on having upper hand in every encounter, so when it does not work, it's a serious crush for them. I actually did it to them couple of times, and I saw the reaction. The defeat as the final outcome is the only thing they are really afraid of, and the only way to make them think twice next time they decide to bully someone. If in the end they have upper hand, then whatever words were exchanged in the process, don't matter for them.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 8:39 PM

68255 (just read our last comment) - sure, as i said, it depends on the objective. If it's to change public perception, then I fully agree, and you both are absolutely right. I doubt however that public perception can be changed significant;ly. Blogs like this one are mostly being read by the folks who are already on the right side.

Posted: Jul 23 2013, 8:51 PM

Yeah I agree with you, it just involves more risk, which some people are not willing to take. All methods of resistance should be employed at every level and no contribution is too small. I would note there are hundreds of cops which have been fired because of their criminal actions, or even unbecoming conduct, was caught on video and elicited an angry public response. Criminal cops like all predators like to prey on the weak, so standing up to them might trigger an "it's not worth it" type response in some, others it incenses and triggers them to fly into a violent rage.

As to the readership of websites like ours, something like over 50% of our traffic is one time visitors, I would venture to say the majority of people reading it are not in agreement with it.

Posted: Jul 24 2013, 8:21 AM

7175 There are tooooo.....many eager police officers with not enough to do. Why aren't these officers trained to be CIVIL?

Posted: Jul 24 2013, 1:39 PM

10842 Interesting.... 68255 has presented a classic construct, the "two-choices." But, what if the objective, doesn't match either of the two choices being presented?

<If it's to decrease police abuse,...> 68255
Each time I read comments such as yours, I can't help but notice the truth in them. 68255 writes in reflection, as I do - "the comment speaks in two directions," in other words.

I'd prefer to see police set free, myself. They don't seem to realize the power they hold, always being faced with the consequences (two choices) is the reason they are hopelessly enslaved.

Let's say, "eternal life" were the objective... And, in order to obtain "eternal life," you had to follow lots of rules. We'll make "heaven" the reward, and, "hell," the punishment. (This is a classic construct). Now, how do you control a person, who sees beyond this construct - even beyond the writers of this construct?

Cops have lots of choices, but, only 2 consequences. I see those consequences as bull-shit. The hierarchy gets smaller as one climbs to the top <- that's what I see.

Posted: Jul 24 2013, 9:35 PM

75175 Fuck the pond scum and you snot nosed asshats for sticking up for those un civil civil servents, You blathering clowns who support this shit do not deserve to live in this country.
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