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Analysis posted May 27 2012, 10:43 PM Category: Economy Source: InformationLiberation Print

Aussie Gov Says They'll Fine Anyone Who Blames Carbon Tax For Price Increases, Despite Carbon Tax Causing Price Increases

Chris | InformationLiberation

Australia's new carbon tax is going to cause costs to rise on everything across the board, it's a massive new tax on energy, therefor no industries will be able to escape the rising costs.

That said, the Australian government has declared it's illegal to "wrongly" blame the carbon tax for price increases, and they say those who do will face fines up to $1.1 million dollars.

Via The Daily Telegraph:
SHOPS and restaurants could face fines up to $1.1 million if waiters or sales staff wrongly blame the carbon tax for price rises or exaggerate the impact.

And households are being warned to watch out for telephone scammers offering to deposit carbon tax compensation into their bank accounts.

The prices watchdog, the ACCC, will today launch its countdown to the July 1 carbon tax with a special focus on helping small businesses understand their obligations and consumers to be vigilant for false claims.

It is releasing internet videos to help business, a 16-page guide and has set up a dedicated website www.accc.gov.au/carbon.

ACCC deputy chairman Dr Michael Schaper told the Herald Sun companies were entitled to increase their prices and did not have to justify or explain why.

"It is business as usual,'' Dr Schaper said.

But if they blamed the carbon tax they must be able to prove it and not use it as a cover for other price increases related to wages, rent or stock.

"If a business claims that a price is linked to the carbon price, that claim must be truthful and have a reasonable basis,'' he said.

Dr Schaper said the warning applied to comments made by staff over the phone, on the shop floor or in meetings.

It also covers advertising, product labels, websites, invoices, contracts and contract negotiations.

The ACCC has the power to force a business to substantiate that a price rise has been caused by the carbon tax.

The guide explains what businesses can and cannot do, and provides a checklist to follow.

Dr Schaper said businesses must be sure price rises were "based on your own costs''.
The idea you can somehow defend yourself and "rightly" blame your price increases on the carbon tax is nonsense. The law says your claims must be "truthful" and have a "reasonable basis."

Who determines what is truthful, and who determines what is reasonable? Not the business owner, that's for sure.

The hidden costs of a new tax can spread in entirely unpredictable ways, taxes are frequently passed onto consumers, other times they may ultimately fall on producers, there's no way to know exactly who will be ultimately paying these taxes, so there is no way to ultimately say what the "truthful" cost of these new taxes are on anything.

What we know for certain is costs will rise, but don't dare say it, or you could be fined $1.1 million dollars.





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Anonymous

Posted: May 28 2012, 11:07 AM

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193200 "Don't serve carbon lies, ACCC warns"

That is the title of the linked article. Also, you missed the "s" in SHOPS when you copy/pasted..

in other words, this is'nt an orwellian clampdown on free speech, it's a warning to business not to LIE to consumers.

You prefer to be lied to do you?

lol
Keudo

Posted: May 28 2012, 11:12 AM

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Have any of you ever found a government control board that was willing to admit it's their fault that prices were raised?

The article explains that if they can prove the tax caused the price increases, all's fine. If they can't, up to $1.1 million fine.

And since carbon and energy taxes are known as 'hidden costs' (I.E. they don't get to put it on expense books at your local chicken factory), how will they prove the claim that the tax increased prices?

When government wants to make money and stop people from bitching about it, anything short of a piece of paper that says 'This tax caused their price increase' - and, of course, it has to be signed by the head of the energy department, tax commission, prime minister/president, and ten or twelve more political officials who have actual clout in office - is not proof enough!

The title of this article is obviously meant to draw attention to this law and the suppression of free speech against unfair and outrageous taxation, and while it seems sensationalized, it's also sadly true. There is no moderation or reason when it comes to government control of funds. Anytime an institution passes a law that is vague and broad, and has clauses and the power to act as a reason to steal more money from people with legitimate complaints about government practices, then you have a law that is meant to be used and abused to make money that will do nothing more than line the pockets of unscrupulous politicians and corrupt the individuality and rights of people and small businesses hurt by the actions of large corporations and corporatist government.

Get that through your thick skulls, morons.
Anonymous

Posted: May 28 2012, 11:26 AM

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193200 The thing is, a business can have a rough idea, depending on the type of business - some will be more simple than others.

The ACCC also monitors monopolies like COLES & WOOLWORTHS, to make sure they're not price fixing, again, its consumer protection, and I don't know anyone that doesn't say they SHOULDDN'T BE DOING FUCKING MORE!

ie; Theyre perceived as pretty useless, they don't do enough protecting!

They have been doing this job for years! This is not some thing that has been dreamt up especially for the carbon tax, to say to businesses, don't rip off the consumer!

If a business has trouble calculating costs with a tax component factored in ( we do have plenty of other taxes over here, and they seem to have no worries determining the cost of them ) then maybe they shouldn't be in business.

This is not a new law. It is an old protection, and all they are saying, is DON"T RIP OFF THE CUSTOMER.

Get that through your thick skull moron. Over here we don't like being lied to, and there is punishment for people that do, is that ok with you?
Anonymous

Posted: May 28 2012, 11:33 AM

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193200 In the past, if someone makes a complaint, and a business has been found to have simply been a little tardy, and has made a mistake, they might be fined, and told to smarted up. If it is a deliberate scam, then greater fines are an option, as would be criminal charges.

Again, this is for the benefit of the consumer. If I'm buying a solar system, and the company tells me the price has increased $5000, when in actual fact, it is only $1000. I would like to know. This is a check for the consumer. I can not state it any simpler than that. If that is too much for you. Get offline, you could hurt yourself.
Willie

Posted: May 28 2012, 4:22 PM

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81165 Chris, that ''anonymous'' is only a troll, wonder on wich one's payroll he is??
Anonymous

Posted: May 28 2012, 8:08 PM

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193200 No willie, im not a troll, im a fucking tax payer that doesnt like being ripped off by unscrupulous businesses, and only responding to Chris' idiocies. He fucked up big time and has only succeeded in making himself look a right bloody tool.

Come to Australia fool, and walk around the streets, and ask anyone here if they think the ACCC is doing enough, or too much to protect their interests.

You'd best be careful too, lest Chris admonish you for your atrocious grammar.

"wonder on wich one's payroll he is?? " - what are you? ten years old?

Heres 50 cents, go rent a fucking clue.
Chris

Posted: May 28 2012, 9:38 PM

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Anon, you need to calm the hell down, you are going to give yourself a heart attack.

You need to stop with the insults.

If you don't like the site, I encourage you to read any of the billion+ other sites on the internet.

You've repeated the same thing a hundred times, repeating it one hundred and one times is not going to change anyone's mind.
Chris

Posted: May 28 2012, 9:42 PM

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The ACCC, like every other government agency everywhere, is a terrorist organization which rules through threats, intimidation, and if need be, raw police/military violence.

No one would follow any of their rules if they were not backed up by the barrel of a gun.

There is nothing virtuous about anything they do, they're an orwellian terrorist organization and the world would be infinitely better off if they ceased to exist.

Businesses, on the other hand, ask nothing from anyone, exist purely off voluntary trade/consensual exchange, and everything they have they earned (unless they used the government to get it).

They don't point guns at their customers' faces and order them to buy things for their own good, they offer goods for whatever price they please and consumers have the option to decide whether or not they want to trade for them.

If someone does not think a product is worth the price, he won't buy it.

If he thinks it is worth the price, he will.

The act of trading for someone else's goods implies you believe their good is worth more than your money, and they believe your money is worth more than their good, only if that is believed by both parties will a mutually beneficial exchange take place.

That's the reality of the situation, if you think the government is "here to help" on anything you're completely clueless.
Anonymous

Posted: May 28 2012, 10:36 PM

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174252 So all taxes are passed onto consumers regardless of collection method.

If a business is paying higher taxes, prices for goods/ services or wages it MUST charge more for the same sale prior to the new event in order to stay operational. All costs of this new event are passed off to the end consumer. If consumer deems price too high they will not transact and business faces going out of business and thus keeps their price as low as possible while ring able to maintain a small profit to sustain their own living standards. If business sets prices too higher the consumer will also find competition in the face of this threat and obligation.

ACCC, like most regulatory bodies here and abroad, are costs centers that only force consumers to pay higher taxes to sustain their own livelihood. Waste

Godspeed OZ

Here in the States it's not much better.
Anonymous

Posted: May 28 2012, 11:04 PM

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193200 I'm perfectly calm thanks, and are you trying to tell me now you never insult anyone on here? Oh look at you on your high pony!

Yes, its amazing really isn't it. I am saying the same thing over and over, and it is such a simple thing, It's extraordinary that you still dont get it.

Your headline, doent not match the article. That's it. As I said, I dont care if you ever get it, or if you ever change your mind. But it is a fact, an indisputable fact, and the more you deny it, the more stupid you make yourself out to be, though I think you may be getting close to the limit.

The fines, are not to stop people telling anyone there will be a cost associated with the carbon tax, the fines are there to STOP BUSINESS LYING TO THE CUSTOMER!

The ACCC, for the little good they do, is to protect the consumer. It's really very simple.

Who said I don't like the site? Who said I dont read other websites? If all you can do is build straw man arguments, it's a wonder why you bother replying at all.

In response to 17452.. yes. costs will be passed onto consumers. Thats why the ACCC is there to make sure they dont charge excessivly. As for the associated cost of living rises with the carbon tax, low and middle income earners are getting government subsidies paid into their bank accounts to compensate for that right now.

"The ACCC, like every other government agency everywhere, is a terrorist organization which rules through threats, intimidation, and if need be, raw police/military violence. " - lol - show me one example of " raw police/military violence." by the ACCC... you really need to calm down.

If the ACCC was not monitoring petrol prices here, or the duopololy of COLES+WOOLWORTHS, I guarantee you we would be paying more for our food and fuel.

"if you think the government is "here to help" on anything you're completely clueless. " again.. another straw argument, I never said that's what I believed, but the ACCC was setup to counter accusations of price gouging, FROM THE VOTERS!

The only way anyone will get a fine is if they intetionally mislead the public. Please tell me what's so bad about that!

If you think that the OIL and Supermarket business here would not collude to extort maximum profit from customers, in an environment of zero accountability, then you are completely clueless.

Nice how you advise to lay off the insults, and then hypocritically slip comments like that in.
Chris

Posted: May 28 2012, 11:16 PM

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The supermarkets / oil producers are accountable to consumers, they're entirely dependent on them for their survival.

If their prices were too high, no one would buy from them, too low and they're out of business.

If they don't make a profit they're not going to exist, I'm sure you'd be fine sitting in gas/soup lines w/ the state providing everything for you though. After all, the government is "not for profit," and "accountable to voters," lol.

See this article "The Gun in the Room" if you want to understand how every government edict is backed up by raw violence. http://freedomain.blogspot.com/2006/11/gun-in-room.html
Fucking Australian Carbon Tax

Posted: May 28 2012, 11:29 PM

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74192 This fucking carbon tax is making the price of food, housing, transportation, education...everything that human life touches...go off the charts.

So FUCK YOU, Australian government...come and get me...come and get us...

We will run you off the fucking planet.

Guess you didn't get the text...the fucking "global warming" studies were proved to be fake...we had confessions and everything.

You stupid putzes...fools...morons...globalists...liberals...idiots.
Anonymous

Posted: May 29 2012, 3:41 AM

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122150 this Gillard government is out of control , she a bloody liar and a bloody national disgrace , deport the witch

Anonymous

Posted: May 29 2012, 3:49 AM

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60229 Thanx anonymous '200' for doing the ever so hard yards to hold chris to accountfor his sensationist editorializing.

Chris will never admit it but you have. The problem for him is that if he admits his DOCTRINE has any faults he will have to question it all and as a 'fundamentalist' thats shit scary for him.

Anyone in Australia with 1/4 a brain knows thats all the 'Daily Telegraph' does is sensationist editorialisation and its not surprising chris is using this garbage.

Really chris you should be seeking sponsorship from enron, bp or perhaps our famous most wealthy woman gina rhinehart.

Actually if I'm a conspiracist on this point ill suspect you are already. How else do you get so much time troll for distortions every day. An employee of the Murdoch Press (perhaps hence the Grammar Nazi inclination) Actually id reckon that's quite possible.

BEWARE PEOPLE you may well be being duped by Chris.
Anarchist not at all, just a paid propagandorist for the super rich
Anonymous

Posted: May 29 2012, 4:29 AM

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60229 Here a question for all Anarchist Libertarians. Who do you honestly think are the most powerful people in the world. Its not 'The Gov't' folks and yet all Chris can do is blame Gov't for EVERYTHING EVERYTHING EVERYTHING!!!.

Anarchism should mean thinking for yourselves people. Chris would have you believe he holds the ONLY perspective that's true and everybody else are idiots. Yet there are gaping holes in his ideology and the only way he can justify them is to become ever more blindly extreme. That's called Fundamentalism.

Spend some time to think for yourselves people and stay open to other views, that's the most important thing I can say
Tom in US

Posted: May 29 2012, 10:51 AM

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108205 Damn guys, didn't realize how oppressed you all are. Please fight it before its too late.
Alufiend

Posted: May 29 2012, 11:36 AM

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76213 The first rule about carbon tax is, you don't talk about carbon tax.
the second rule about carbon tax is, YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT CARBON TAX.
Anonymous

Posted: May 29 2012, 3:47 PM

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58164 its either going to be a GST increase or The Carbon Tax, Carbon Tax, or Carbon Bank much softer. tony abbott, is a climate change denier, have a look around this planet, and you tell me. we vwont something done.
Anonymous

Posted: May 29 2012, 9:25 PM

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193200 "The supermarkets / oil producers are accountable to consumers, they're entirely dependent on them for their survival.

If their prices were too high, no one would buy from them, too low and they're out of business. "

not when you have a duopoly like here, where they collude to make the prices higher you fucking idiot!

stop talk about shit you know nothing about, it makes you look STUPID!

:) - I doubt I'll ever tire of pointing that out :)

i dont agree with the carnon tax, i dont agree with the gst. we are not the only country that has a carbon tax, and we wont be the last. theres a tax on roads, theres a tax on junk food ffs! theres taxes on fucking everything, this is just another tax. the headline is sensationalist bullshit. it doesnt match the article, and the simple fact is, that the ACCC fines on people ripping off consumers, is a bloody good thing.


im heartened at least to be accompannied by a couple of other voices of reason here.

the fact is, you can legitimatly criticicise the oz government on a whole range of things from human rights, homelessness, the stupidity of following america to illegal immoral wars of aggression based on lies.. ( that doesnt come cheap either, and the cost per person is a lot more than the carbon tax ) but.. to make it sound like the ACCC fines for shonky business is somehow linked to the end of the world as we know it.,

is fucking laughable..

you come here chris and walk the streets and try sell the proposition that the GOVT should NOT BE ALLOWED TO FINE PEOPLE FOR LYING TO CUSTOMERS IN ORDER TO INFLATE PRICES!

might go down ok on your planet, but - well.. ohhh.. and tom? its not our PM that has declared the authority to detain, torture, kill anyone without charge, without evidence, and without trial.. lol - keep your sympathy for yourself mate, for the time being, you need it more.
Anonymous

Posted: May 29 2012, 9:30 PM

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193200 Title: YOU CANT BLAME PRICE RISES ON CARBON TAX

Article: YOU CAN BLAME PRICE RISES ON CARBON TAX


lol - and chris cant see the contradiction.
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