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Article posted Oct 20 2011, 4:13 PM Category: General Source: Reddit Print

Penn Jillette gets it.

Via byukid r/Libertarian

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Posted: Oct 24 2011, 12:17 AM

17358 Yea, I go with the 99%. And frankly with Cookie_monster of Occupy Sesame street. His two remarks, frequently quoted on the net, are sensible.
Find the follow up remark, it is on the second page of comments.

There could be legislation that would help.
Any such would be against libertarian philosophy.

How about a law that those persons and corporations and corporations that enable persons to have more salary than 40 times the least worker be taxed higher, proportionately to the amount over 40x that they are over 40x, with a ceiling of no more than twice the tax or 60% which ever is higher. Tax would be based on tax before tax breaks.
All compensation would be considered, both the taxes and social security and other company paid deductions, plus anything put to retirement for the employee. Similarly any stock or other options as well as straight money paid to the executive should count.

It could be an incentive to leave, or to pay the janitor more.
Trickle down is and always has been a fraud.
This law could generate some serious trickle down.

As to private vs taxed giving, all the private giving is not going to make up the taxed giving, and the contribution to the public need.

And if you want to tax, please tax disposable income, that which is over the income needed for food and shelter, and basics. Many would pay no tax, they are the working poor. Frankly we should honor their work and persistence. After that, if you want to flat tax the remains, go for it. But something like double the poverty level should be protected. The poverty level is disgusting. We can not all eat road kill, there is not enough to go around.

Posted: Oct 24 2011, 1:03 AM

7621 I don't care about poor people and neither do any of you. If you actually do care about poor people go and do something about it out of voluntarism. Everyone is up in arms when Christianity and Christian ideas are forced down the throats of American people. Why should I be forced to care about poor people? AND it IS forced. If you don't pay your taxes the IRS will come and lock you away. Stop pretending you actually care about the poor--REALLY caring doesn't involve sitting on your sofa watching TV and letting the government siphon money out of your income. You can't claim to be doing good when you are being forced to do it.

Posted: Oct 24 2011, 7:40 AM

9894 Pompous libertarian prick. I've got it good in life, so why is everyone else complaining? They should be able to survive on my table scraps.

Somalia should be a libertarian's paradise but I don't see Penn packing his bags.

A democratic government is supposed to be run by the people, for the people's benefit. The problem is NOT our representative government. The problem is that corporations are considered "persons" with rights that trump those of actual citizens, so our needs go ignored. Don't eliminate the government, FIX it. And as for paying taxes, it's part of the social contract. The schools, police, fire departments, social security, medicare, etc. don't operate only when rich people are feeling charitable.


Posted: Oct 24 2011, 9:04 AM

20450 you might want to read his entire essay before commenting on it:

Posted: Oct 24 2011, 9:46 AM

9785 Oh, how brilliant all of you retards are. Knee-jerk reactions from knee-jerk liberals. Oh, the rich are evil. Oh, they don't pay their share. I believe it because Obama told me so.
I'm not saying that all rich people are good and kind and sweet angels, but Christ in sidecar--
If you think the government is the answer, you're asking the wrong fucking questions.
Btw, it's a proven fact that conservatives give more to charities than libs. Libs want the government to take care of it so they don't have to do or think or be responsible. Typical.

Posted: Oct 24 2011, 10:59 AM

70176 Agree with the spirit, and will make the same claim for those doing good deeds to buy their way into heaven.

Realize that in the land of "greed is good", voluntary compassion will never cut it. The govt programs are necessary to pacify the poor and stabilize the system against revolt.

Penn is an illusionist after all, so I'm not sure you should take his words at face value. Perhaps he is really hoping for revolt.

Posted: Oct 24 2011, 4:05 PM

66169 some people get joy from it!

Posted: Oct 24 2011, 10:10 PM

97125 Maybe if you rich fucks quit ripping off the poor the poor wouldn't be poor and they wouldn't need to be helped. Talentless oppressor of mute man
I think

Posted: Oct 25 2011, 10:46 PM

72191 If individuals can take from a common pot regardless of how much they put in it, then each person has an incentive to be a free-rider, to do as little as possible and take as much as possible because what one fails to take will be taken by someone else. Soon, the pot is empty.
I think

Posted: Oct 25 2011, 10:49 PM

72191 The Federal government can only give what it has already taken. Minus it's operating cost.
I think

Posted: Oct 25 2011, 10:51 PM

72191 The next time you pour a gallon of rotten milk down the sink, or throw away a loaf of moldy bread, remember that it was capitalism that allowed you to do so. Just as well, the next time you wonder by what misfortune some people in the world live in horrible conditions while you enjoy what they could not even fathom, remember that it was capitalism that allowed you to even notice the dichotomy. Despite the spurious reputation capitalism has as a harbinger of poverty, I can justifiably say, "Thank goodness for capitalism
I think

Posted: Oct 25 2011, 10:59 PM

72191 Help the poor, print more money. Oh, wait, this administration is already doing it.

Posted: Oct 26 2011, 10:43 AM

17417 okay, how about we just get rid of all government, and all laws and regulations! oh wait... :I

Posted: Oct 26 2011, 10:49 AM

1539 Genius. Point blank, period.

Posted: Oct 26 2011, 11:18 AM

108208 What he doesn't understand is that American billionaires are so self -centered, and full of greed they won't give anything unless forced to. Most of them only donate for tax breaks and photo ops.

Posted: Oct 26 2011, 11:23 AM

108208 it's pretty simple people want to get richer, and they also want poor people to stay poor. why do you think they are buying out our politicians to pass laws that are harming normal working folks?

Posted: Oct 26 2011, 12:57 PM

72223 Jillette is also "Tea Bagger Puppet" for the Koch Brothers and The Cato Institue......

Penn Jillette and Raymond Teller, are fellows at the Cato Institute.

Cato was founded in 1977 by Edward H. Crane and Charles Koch, [2] the billionaire co-owner of Koch Industries known for its financing of the Tea Party and various extreme right front groups.

Posted: Oct 26 2011, 3:21 PM

6469 No I think he's pointing out the we want others to do even our good deed for us. If we all donated time and energy to helping others, no matter what our financial situation is, fewer would go hungry or cold. It costs money to pay people to run bureaucracy. Volunteer. Do good for others. Be genuinely charitable.

Posted: Oct 27 2011, 2:41 AM

98234 It's not about forcing people to give at gunpoint but to create a system for helping the poor, the sick and the elderly so that none of them get left behind because they weren't lucky enough to receive help. It's easy for a man to give when he finds people in need, it's more difficult for a man who does not make the millions Penn Jillette makes to figure out how to give his money in order to truly help society. Giving money to the charity organization that manages to market the most is not an efficient way to solve issues like hunger.

Posted: Nov 01 2011, 6:51 PM

72147 He is a blocker. Not a ball carrier. Go for the ball.

The game play is at wall street. Repealing the Commodities Futures Modernization act and re establishing the protections of Glass Stiegle. His issue is a distraction like evolution/ creationism, Big Foot, Hurricane Irene, sharks at the beach, Tax cuts for the rich.

Return to supply and demand in the oil futures market bigun. Rail against the small guy no more. The issue is sovereignty.
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