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Article posted Oct 05 2011, 9:14 PM

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Epic Steve Jobs Quote

"When you're young, you look at television and think, There's a conspiracy. The networks have conspired to dumb us down. But when you get a little older, you realize that's not true. The networks are in business to give people exactly what they want. That's a far more depressing thought. Conspiracy is optimistic! You can shoot the bastards! We can have a revolution! But the networks are really in business to give people what they want. It's the truth." - Steve Jobs, Interview in WIRED magazine (February 1996)

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Dave

Posted: Oct 05 2011, 11:43 PM

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not true

Anonymous

Posted: Oct 06 2011, 1:59 AM

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This is so true. Claiming massive conspiracy is almost always the easy way out of an intellectual discussion. This quote reminds me of the Huxley vs. Orwell debate. In reality, society will continue to deteriorate because we have become too distracted with unimportant things, and people who market their products know this. Now, you can't forget that individual networks sometimes have the incentive to deliberately leave out details or simply NOT report on certain things, because doing so would be against their best interest for survival, but they do these things individually. CNN is not teaming up with Fox, MSNBC, and ABC in order to deceive people deliberately. They just all realize individually that they must market their product to the consumer. Unfortunately news is not sold as information, it's sold as entertainment because THAT'S WHAT THE CONSUMER DICTATES HIS DESIRE IS WITH HIS MONEY.

Anonymous

Posted: Oct 06 2011, 2:57 AM

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Unfortunately it is the nature of greedy people to see the whole world as greedy, selfish people to see the whole world as selfish and for narcissist to see everyone as a narcissist.
It is not true of course, it is just there nature to view the world as such,
For them everyone always charges to much, everyone always won't pay enough and of course everyone refuses to align their behaviour with the demands of the narcissist.
The rest of us, the majority, know that sharing and caring always produces a better outcome for everyone.

Anonymous

Posted: Oct 06 2011, 11:31 AM

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Anon 12145's naivete makes me cringe
also RIP Steve Jobs

Beep

Posted: Oct 06 2011, 6:09 PM

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Not all media collusion is simply the workings of entertainment provision. The media does organise to omit and censor in order to portray content that reflects it's own interests and these interests are not always simply entertainment of the masses. However it could be said that a vast majority of its content selection is based on what sells.

I think it's poignant to see such a quote from a man who 'gave us what we wanted' despite the consequences.

Anonymous

Posted: Oct 06 2011, 7:31 PM

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In today's modern mass media movement, the networks try to provide the sitcoms, dramas, "reality" shows and sports that the people want, but the news does not get cancelled because of bad ratings. It acts as the perfect propaganda tool for the establishment.

Anonymous

Posted: Oct 06 2011, 10:54 PM

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Same thing with politicians. The reason all of our politicians constantly lie, exaggerate, spin and falsify is simple, when they do we vote for them. Any politician who is honest and tries hard to work with the other party doesn't stand a chance in our elections

Dave

Posted: Oct 07 2011, 12:22 AM

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with the in house revolutions (outwardly elections) typically along came a new round of lies and liars. it is one of the reasons people started to switch off from politics. that to the point that 'government' cannot maintain meaning in the word democracy as it is voted out. in britain they are trying to give people multiple votes to compensate for lack of interest.

the 'government' is mainly the media along with other related military apparatus. the vista between reality and the media is so great, the military psychology deployed so injurious, that people can have quite a reaction if they are conscious of it. this has even been mentioned in the media itself, in britain they even reported when military intelligence took over. much of what is done is documented and shown to people using the tv. such is the nature of the mind control that it sets up blinkers, people don't see what it is doing to them.

is one to believe people want to have trauma based mind control executed on them to the point of cognitive dissonance? of course if they have it, then they do not see. of course if they don't want to know, possibly they don't have to but people's brains are being sold on daily.

if people studied for example newspeak as applies to ingsoc (as is active in america and britain) you would see some of the reports on the current 'protests' not only for what they were but what the media was doing.

as per the earlier post whereby people see the world as they are rather than it is, people would not want to study ingsoc, it is revolting. though such a decision is in the face of the contradiction that they are likely living in it. that and tv mind control is not a secret that can be kept other than by a conspiracy of silence. if one wants to know then one would find out. the media conditioned people setting up mirrors so the word conspiracy was to be hated, ridiculed. good programmed citizen, you are not one of those people who believe in (readily evidenced) conspiracy. that modification of the reaction to the word conspiracy was a conspiracy, that too is readily evidenced.

Dave

Posted: Oct 07 2011, 12:59 PM

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<Claiming massive conspiracy is almost always the easy way out of an intellectual discussion. >

for an intellectual discussion, this has to go to language itself, war becomes visible, the mirrors become visible then each of us becomes visible to oursleves. conspiracy is normal, by design everyone is set up and made complicit, damaged for the sake of history people don't want to confront. history is explaining stuff to me, boo to it, it is in't true as it is gone, dead. we are the wave if we do not think and there are silver surfers out there who will ride it (us) and who where they own others, create their own shockwaves.

when i was a young kid i had a man i would talk to, i would call him 'the monk'. he said to be in response to something i said 'people always do what they want'. i was perplexed, challenged it and he said again 'people always do what they want'. i wasn't talking to a liar, for the problem i was having, this seemed to go to the communication of thought. i noticed in reading what steve jobs had said, there appeared to be a careful selection of words.

if someone receives a tax bill, they tend to pay it. do they want to pay a tax bill? this goes very much to the meaning of words, it is normal in language for two people to disagree with each other whilst both being right using the same word, political language is designed that way for that very purpose. (divide and rule everyone)

someone might be in business, be supplying another company and the board may sit down and plan on the basis that the false matrix is designed for, to extract maximum revenue from the other company. some will operate on that basis, it is made into a survival necessity until the entire clock explodes, is taken down or people wake up, take back their own minds and use them.

human life operates on an indefinite lifetime, is not consciously inclined to wipe itself out for the sake of it, that is absurd. in political paradigms it is different, empires have relatively short life cycle though it spans many many generations.

Dave

Posted: Oct 07 2011, 1:13 PM

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for an intellectual discussion, what do people want outside of paradigms directed by the false matrix? do they want food, water, shelter, warmth, friendship? i suggest if i collected wants there would be a priority to them, food first then go play not go to a slave camp to get tokens to live. most of people's entire year is working entirely for the state, for their enslavement. that is quite some engine for quite some destruction. is that intellectual? that posits a contradiction, for humankind is busy, in a conspiracy destroying themselves with continuous warfare. experience often works differently, we burn ourselves a few times by accident but then try not to.

i head of a man that the system destroyed being taken away recently by the men in black. society, that unconscious machine, a doomsday clock had damaged him trying to create one of their own, a sociopath as is required for society to tic. when he was taken away, the general public cheered, i suggest they didn't see why they were really cheering. how many silent screams are out there?

the media exists in the false matrix. government can't run out of money, that is just anonsense game to fool some for the perceived benefit of others. the media is running giant hoaxes one after the other. if it tells the truth then it could be out of business though in britland the bbc are the voice of the dictatorship, money is a layer that isn't an issue if you have control.

in a secret society, i refer in this instance to society itself, you have false mirrors. a word like 'want' has two (or more) meanings. a public dialogue can be entirely seperate from state dialogue, two language seperated by different meanings to words.

on the net there is criticism of childish symbology. optimisation of resources uses symbology, the power matrix is built out of symbology with multiple layers of translation and lateral flooding to dominate the spectrum.

as people would normally use the term want, if one looks at humankind, what they do, then humankind is nuts. they are not, they are controlled.

Dave

Posted: Oct 07 2011, 1:21 PM

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on this site i linked to a video, fronting the corporation and other layers was elizabeth windsor. the video was an attempt to hypnotise and program an entire nation (british triggers so not the same resonance elsewhere. it was evidential, evidentially matched to the conspiracy. obama uses hynotic tricks in his speaches.

the video was withdrawn, remade. obama and windsor are not free people, and the nature of the prison they have lived in can determine their behaviours and what they output, which is a use of the word 'want'. that isn't a real queen or real commander and chief, one could hardly have a more obvious deception.

<But the networks are really in business to give people what they want. - Steve Jobs>

how that is interpreted could make all the difference in the world.

Anonymous

Posted: Oct 07 2011, 5:48 PM

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F U Jobs,

Dave

Posted: Oct 07 2011, 10:53 PM

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someone said care and share, someone said that is naive and we have what the dictator needs which is black and white.

a lot of newspeak is like american acronyms, precise, read well and you don't pause for thought. i paused for thought today on a word and it was conscience.

con science, against science. science from latin scientia - knowledge.

we say conscience meaning in the sense something like 'thinking of the other guy' as it were. so why, by inference is science against humanity

if i was building a bridge, science gives the means to build one that won't collapse killing lots of people. when it comes to people, if you walk into someone's home, they will have ways of doing things, places they put things, what is their life. you can't rationalise that, it is someone else's life. it doesn't fit a formula. to try to make it one, a dicatorship which is looking at patterns it can jump on / create and control operates on military logic, utility, no care other than maintenance of power.

conscience a human trait, it doesn't fit a universal theory. it is a human trait that society must destroy and logical thinking must be misdirected or destroyed or people will do their own thinking as a dictatorship requires illogic in the general sense.

Anonymous

Posted: Oct 08 2011, 2:54 AM

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What? You mean Steve Jobs, media king, claims that the crap we see in the media just happens? And we should all believe him? We all want to be idiots and TV passively obliges? We want to see Disney sweet kids turned into sluts? We want to see smart kids lipping off stupid parents? Hell the media are f*cking martyrs for obliging our depravity /s/.

Anonymous

Posted: Oct 08 2011, 10:31 AM

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No one ever went bankrupt by underestimating the intelligence of American people.

For the longest time I thought Apple was deliberately dumbing down their users, but now I know it was giving them exactly what they want. A very depressing thought indeed.

CommonSensical

Posted: Oct 09 2011, 6:23 PM

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Dave, conscience means "with truth". Study etymology better, please.

The truth is it should be illegal to be too wealthy AND in power. Psychology experiments performed with a functional MRI (4-D brain scanning) shows that money releases dopamine, and at high enough quantities mimics the action of cocaine. Excessive amounts of money corrupts people, science proved it.

Hah, I sound like a socialist! The above doesn't mean you shouldn't receive what you earn, it just means you should be treated as a mentally ill addict if money dominates your life. It also means money and freedom should not be equated.

And yes it is sad that the media gives us exactly what the people want, but mostly because the media has slowly convinced the people that all they want is on TV via tantamount brainwashing and hijacking the biological processes regulating hormone levels in the brain.

Dave

Posted: Oct 09 2011, 10:12 PM

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<The truth is it should be illegal to be too wealthy AND in power. >
that is the basis of the 1984 dictatorship and it is in operation, people are now employed in various social engineering roles for human destruction for the benefit of the dictatorship. with the contradiction that they are living in austerity, their social status a contradiction by the existing structure, it makes for ruthless deployment.

the kennedies had vast wealth, they blew the lies and stage in words and in deed. if someone was responsible for other people, the issue of most benefit to those they are responsible for would be merit. if there is protection, they cannot be fired by peaceful means, there is then hard seperation of powers.

<wealthy AND in power>
if there was shortage, there could be ration tokens fairness / conflict avoidance, perhaps given out weekly that expire in a week and regardless terminating on use.

money isn't politically neutral, it is power. this includes power over other people. with central banking one has ownership of governments.

in terms of power and money being separated, consider a recent broadcast in the name of david cameron 'the old bailey is not big brother'.

the old bailey is owned by the city of london corporation. government is itself a corporation, a corporations united system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_Bailey

<the media gives us exactly what the people want>
conspiracy theories tend to start when people know they have been lied to.

not just the incumbant but the notion of slavery is collapsing. commerce, the money system and other societal constructs were set up for control of the many by the few. where people are tortured continuously, they seek not freedom but freedom from stress so brainless entertainment is welcomed. the overall picture is absurd, an absurdity that is becoming increasingly recognised.

Anonymous

Posted: Oct 10 2011, 7:54 PM

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Five corporate media conglomerates own the mainstream media. In the 1980s, this number was 25. All of these five participate at the annual Bilderberg conference and do not report what happens there. Central banker David Rockefeller owns controlling stakes in ABC, CBS, and NBC -- just as an example.

To suggest the media is not conspiring with central bankers is to be in on the conspiracy... to be proud of it and to be part of it.

Dave

Posted: Oct 10 2011, 11:23 PM

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it is the media that is this kind of ghost called Democracy, that makes people believe gov is something real other than a script box they call gov and then everyone is frightened of this ghost and conforms to a perception that was created out of voice boxes. there is a hierarchy in media, i found other outlets with other names abroad that were run by the bbc. i think a few years back they tried shutting the internet down as suddenly the newspapers had all appeared with different stories, that was exceptional.

i was never interested in power politics and so when it came to major vectors that would be hard for anyone to ignore i found myself ill equiped on virtually every front and over time that my head had been used as a dustbin for knotted string by the media. that is polite, i remember a stage hypnotist lulling people into a false sense of security by telling people they wouldn't do anything they didn't want to. under hypnosis they were blind and he gave them what they wanted.

i kind of think of it this way, if i was running a sandwich bar and you came in because you wanted a sandwich, it is something akin to me hypnotising you to come back while stuffing mercury in the food so you were injured to function on your own. though they have openly disclosed that the military examine all patents for military use, that means also that what would be a benefit for life is removed.

the notion of power politics winning is by obliteration, that is its destiny as with any substitue for freedom. freedoms, any freedom is the playing field that is taken. freedom everywhere is beyond such wars but generations have been born into captivity and so real freedom and for everyone is not something within our experience.

i have an inner struggle, partly because i have lived with indoctrination, the continuous war and one's own life is then a war. i struggle with freeing my mind and the inner struggle i have is connected with the outer struggle as unless everyone is free, it is a war out there.

Dave

Posted: Oct 10 2011, 11:41 PM

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often i had to work backwards, much had been built out of constructs of problems reactions and created problems. everywhere is pavlovian conditioning, it does have robustness to it. often to lose something is highly noticeable but people haven't had freedom to have the experience of it. instead there is the absurdity of holding on the prison, looking for new ones.

political paradigms are often something like choice a, choice b or get shot. in that game there are three losing choices, all a trap. my thought on that is that the chessboard should go, the entire notion of prison. born into dependance with people making decisions for other people's lives, fake authority but it means people have a stake in the prison which has a stake in all of us.

to try to help i kind of see as analogous to trying to help someone recover from rape whilst the rapist is knocking at the door. bills flying through the door is not altogether dissimilar, people are attacked from all angles, incessant torture and injury.

much has changed, people are coming to know more about what is going on. there is though a time delay as the media continues to wage war, continues to be a fortress that facts, meanings and agendas are concealed even though that is increasingly absurd. the media has been one of the big stories. in my lifetime 'journalist' was never held up as something that was healthy, it was about a story, in creating and destroying images real lives were destroyed with a knock on effect for everyone else. it is easy to miss that bully as it is often presenting itself as against something which by presenting it is actually running a promotion.

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