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Article posted May 08 2011, 7:34 PM

Category: Tyranny/Police State

Source: North County Times

Video shows police breaking car's window at DUI checkpoint

A video of two young men being arrested at an Escondido sobriety checkpoint in February shows police breaking the window of their car after the driver refuses repeated requests to roll down his window and show his driver's license.

The North County Times obtained a copy of the video on Tuesday from one of the attorneys for the men. It shows the driver, Angel Navarrete, and his passenger, Daniel Alfaro, as they drive to the checkpoint Feb. 11.

Navarrete and Alfaro, both of whom live in Escondido, were arrested and charged with resisting a police officer. Both men pleaded not guilty to the misdemeanor charge on March 29 in Vista Superior Court. The driver had a valid license and was not intoxicated.

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Posted: May 09 2011, 7:30 AM

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One question regarding this post. I haven't watched the video, but assume it shows what you describe. What I'm curious about is whether you just have a problem with an individual who happens to be a policeman, or think it is an indication of a corrupt system and its leaders?

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Posted: May 09 2011, 7:44 AM

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Ok. Just watched the video. While I think the police were wrong to not supply their details (if they are required to), I can understand the driver being arrested as he was being asked to show his licence and he wouldn't do so.

So the issue wasn't that he wouldn't role down his window, but rather that he wouldn't show his licence. One policeman did say if he showed his licence he would be free to go. And to be fair, I expect the police do have the authority to take action otherwise people without a licence would just refuse to comply and leave without consequence.

Don't know what the passenger would be arrested for though.

Thoughts?

Anonymous

Posted: May 09 2011, 3:26 PM

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Bunch of thugs.

They can smash windows because they have no liability, the tax payer will pick up that tab for that broken window, they their own court rules in the favor or the innocent individuals driving through an authoritarian check point.

Chad

Posted: May 09 2011, 4:28 PM

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Watching this video makes me so mad... I can't believe that anyone could possibly agree with the two idiots in the car. The cops seemed top-notch and totally professional. Isn't that what we are expecting to see out of them?

I hope that the tax payer doesn't have to pay for that guy's window because he obviously wanted it broken. Just another retard that wants to be on youtube.

Anonymous

Posted: May 09 2011, 4:29 PM

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You just raised an interesting point. The story says what the defendants pleaded. It doesn't mention what the court ruled. I'd be interested in knowing the outcome. I'd expect it would Have to be guilty for the driver as he did fail to produce his licence.

But going back to the first question, is the author implying that the whole system is corrupt, just because some representatives were a bit heavy handed?

Chad

Posted: May 09 2011, 5:09 PM

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It doesn't sound to me that the author is implying that the whole system is broke. In fact, the way that the title and description are worded does not even indicate that the author thinks this particular incident was inappropriate.

I think it is just a case of showcasing a video of cops doing something (kinda) violent. The thing is, isn't that one of the reasons we pay them? Otherwise, lets just replace them with social workers. Or better yet, let's just take over from them and handle these problems ourselves : )

If the cops are supposed to stop drunk drivers, how is it fair to me if they let this guy leave a checkstop just because he refuses to show the required ID or submit to any tests (the passenger said they had "tools" to see if they were intoxicated, but I'm not sure which of those tools could be used through a closed window). If that guy doesn't have to stop at a checkpoint, or have a driver's licence to drive a car - I certainly shouldn't have to. But if that's the way things were, I don't think I'd want to be out on the road with my family (unless I was driving a tank).

The cops seemed to keep their cool and weren't abusive or intimidating. They explained calmly "if you don't do this... then we are going to do this." The guy decided as a taxpayer that he wanted them do do it the hard way and when he did - the cops had to start earning their paychecks.

If the cops had smashed his window without telling him why or giving him the chance to cooperate I would be outraged. Interestingly, if they hadn't smashed his window when he refused to cooperate, I would have been equally pissed off for them not doing their job.

As it is, the video looks good to me. The fact that the they were concerned about the driver getting glass in his precious eyes is just gravy : )

PedleyDan

Posted: Jul 04 2011, 12:38 AM

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You all seem to forget that we do not live in a police state. If you want, you can move to one, in the meantime quit getting so negative when someone tries to get the police to follow the law. In this country, the cops can not randomly stop you and require you to show your papers. A DUI checkpoint is a stop without any reasonable suspicion of any crime being committed, therefor the cops can not legally demand to see your ID.

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