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Analysis posted May 01 2011, 11:21 PM Category: Cover-Up/Deceptions Source: InformationLiberation Print

Osama Bin Laden Has Been Dead For Years

Chris | InformationLiberation

Now that Osama's dead body is being trotted out to boost Obama's approval ratings, er, because he was just killed in a raid or some nonsense, it's worth taking a look back at the researchers who concluded Osama bin Laden died years ago. David Ray Griffin wrote an entire book about it. Mike Rivero also wrote the article "Osama bin Laden: A dead nemesis perpetuated by the US government," where he cited numerous heads of state, CIA agents, intelligence officials, etc. who all concluded Osama has been dead for years.

Here's a run down of some of the evidence detailed in David Ray Griffin's book from an article he wrote in October, 2009.:
Objective Evidence that Bin Laden is Dead

The objective evidence includes the following facts:

First, up until mid-December 13, 2001, the CIA had regularly been intercepting messages between bin Laden and his people. At that time, however, the messages suddenly stopped, and the CIA has never again intercepted a message.

Second, on December 26, 2001, a leading Pakistani newspaper published a story reporting that bin Laden had died in mid-December, adding:
“A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement . . . stated . . . that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial.”
Third, bin Laden had kidney disease. He had been treated for it in the American Hospital in Dubai in July 2001, at which time he reportedly ordered two dialysis machines to take home. If you have ever wondered what bin Laden was doing the night before the 9/11 attacks, CBS News reported that he was being given kidney dialysis treatment in a hospital in Pakistan. And in January of 2001, Dr. Sanjay Gupta said – based on a video of bin Laden that had been made in either late November or early December of 2001 – that he appeared to be in the last stages of kidney failure.

Fourth, In July of 2002, CNN reported that bin Laden’s bodyguards had been captured in February of that year, adding: “Sources believe that if the bodyguards were captured away from bin Laden, it is likely the most-wanted man in the world is dead.”

Fifth, the United States has since 2001 offered a $25 million reward for any information leading to the capture or killing of bin Laden. But this reward offer has produced no such information, even though Pakistan has many desperately poor people, only about half of whom have been supportive of bin Laden.

Testimonial Evidence that Bin Laden Is Dead

In addition to this objective evidence, we had considerable testimony in 2002, from people in position to know, that bin Laden was dead, or probably so. These people included:
• President Musharraf of Pakistan;

• Dale Watson, the head of the FBI’s counterterrorism unit;

• Oliver North, who said: “I'm certain that Osama is dead. . . And so are all the other guys I stay in touch with”;

• President Hamid Karzai of Afghanistan;

• Sources within Israeli intelligence, who said that any new messages from bin Laden were “probably fabrications”;

• Sources within Pakistani intelligence, who “confirmed the death of . . . Osama Bin Laden” and “attributed the reasons behind Washington's hiding news on the death of Osama Bin Laden to the desire of the hawks of the American administration to use the issue of al-Qaida and international terrorism to invade Iraq.”
For this reason, perhaps, the stories about the demise of bin Laden largely came to an end in the latter part of 2002, when the United States was gearing up for its attack on Iraq. From then until now, there have been few such stories.

Recently, however, two former intelligence officers have spoken out. In October 2008, former CIA case officer Robert Baer suggested in passing during an interview on National Public Radio that bin Laden was no longer among the living. When Baer was asked about this, he said: “Of course he’s dead.”

In March of 2009, former Foreign Service officer Angelo Codevilla published an essay in the American Spectator entitled “Osama bin Elvis.” Explaining his title, Codevilla wrote: “Seven years after Osama bin Laden's last verifiable appearance among the living, there is more evidence for Elvis's presence among us than for his.”

This is an excellent article, with only one serious flaw. In 2007, Benazir Bhutto, being interviewed by David Frost, referred to Omar Sheikh as “the man who murdered Osama bin Laden.” Codevilla cited this statement as further evidence that bin Laden is dead. But Bhutto had simply misspoken: She had meant to say “the man who murdered Daniel Pearl,” which is the standard way of referring to Omar Sheikh. That she misspoke was shown the next day, when she told CNN: “I don’t think General Musharaf personally knows where Osama bin Laden is.” Ten days later, speaking to NPR, she reported having asked a policeman assigned to guard her house: “Shouldn’t you be looking for Osama bin Laden?” This flaw aside, Codevilla’s article provides good support for his claim that the widespread belief in bin Laden’s continued existence is not backed up by evidence.
The evidence Osama has been dead for years is overwhelming, people have been predicting for years his dead body was going to be trotted out as part of some PR stunt. Absent the presentation of some overwhelmingly compelling evidence to the contrary, it looks like that's what we're witnessing right now.

Update: Another lie exposed: Disposing of Osama's body at sea is NOT in compliance with Islamic law





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Killuminati

Posted: May 02 2011, 4:42 PM

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65217 Even if the DNA matched....how would normal citizens like you and I be able to prove that the test was accurate?/ Couldnt they puppet anybody on t.v and say, "this is dr. so and so, from so and so" and "he said this is 100% osama?!?!" We will never know .....All you know is that government makes a living off of lies and handle yourself accordingly....Pray for you and your family because no man can stop these evil villains....this is PURE B.S. and Im disappointed and discouraged by the amount of people who still listen to these *ss holes dancing in the streets, singing Ding dong the witch is Dead, without any ounce of research on their part!...VOTE FOR THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR....Eff everyone else..Real Talk!
Anonymous

Posted: May 02 2011, 5:08 PM

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7031 Hmmm...somehow this reminds me of another death. Only in that case the tabloids kept reporting alleged sightings of this man from time to time as still being alive. His name? Elvis Presley of course!
Non-sheep

Posted: May 02 2011, 5:54 PM

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93174 Quoting Peter: "Quote Chris : *FYI, DNA evidence takes ~48 hours to develop a positive match, 24 hours to develop a negative match. The media reported DNA had confirmed it in literally some of the first articles which were released, that's in well under 24 hours. *

So ?
Neither Tower had 'collapsed' before the culprit was 'identified' ...
Lee Harvey O'Patsy was identified as the assassin even before he was arrested !! "

Ha-haa! Good point, Peter :oD

Besides, if I recall the news from the previous days: Obama was suffering from very low popularity, was being accussed of being an islamist (which in the mid of the accussers is bad). Join that to the total lack of hard evidence/proof of the subject death, the convenience of a fire in the involved house, and the sea burial, wow that sure IS a conspiracy, my friends.
Some thing keeps coming to mind: All of the "scientific testing" that "prove" that The Shroud of Turin is the real thing. ...all of those tests and claims are made by (guess who?) Vatican "scientists" :oD Again, EXTREME CONVENIENCE!
Anonymous

Posted: May 02 2011, 6:51 PM

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6527 He was supposedly shot in the head.

Excuse for why a picture would do no good.
Chris

Posted: May 02 2011, 9:41 PM

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Yeah, they're even reporting his skull was blown apart. Seems like they're not intending to produce any evidence, can't really blame them as the majority of the American people are clinically retarded.
Anonymous

Posted: May 02 2011, 11:03 PM

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9938 Bin Laden is a political act/ This is nothing more then the US pointing the finger at another country (like they have done in the past, i.e. Korea/Ukraine/Japan/).

Bin Laden was a joke from the begining. He probaly never exisited. The goverment put a hollywood actor in front of us and we believed that he was the terror of the world, when in fact we are
DICK

Posted: May 03 2011, 12:31 AM

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166137 If we killed him a week ago how come there wasn't one sorce that made some video of intelligence or threatening? I mean all alquada would be in a frenzy and you know they'd be ready to bomb us and just there wouldve been some type of publicity guaranteed. People are stupid, he's been dead for years, so many people in other countries already know this but the government and media choose what they want us to see. Just like All the BS about 12-21-2012 is just to hype people up so that they will think either 'let's spend all our money on survival' or 'let's live life up ad spend all my money and do whatever I want before the time comes.' the government lies constantly why? Because if they didn't we wouldn't even be able to handle all the truths. We all live on top of lies..

-DICK
The Sheeple

Posted: May 03 2011, 10:16 AM

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91125 For a man who was chronically ill suffering diabetes, severe kidney problems, respitory problems, chronic fatigue, secondary osteoporsis, in addition to missing a couple of toes, never fully recovering from a severe chest wound and requiring a walking stick, which may have been a result of the foot injury or the osteoporosis or combination there of it must have been one hell of a firefight.
Anonymous

Posted: May 03 2011, 10:51 AM

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98121 Well...I see you folks of the racist fringe cannot be happy this monster is dead, but must use it as yet another "conspiracy" that our President has thought up. You are all a bunch of nut jobs!! Get a life.
The Sheeple

Posted: May 03 2011, 11:24 AM

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91125 I never said It was a conspiracy friend.
Anonymous

Posted: May 03 2011, 12:27 PM

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72223 Osama bin Laden, A.K.A.
CIA Asset "Tim Osman"

DR

Posted: May 03 2011, 12:30 PM

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6910 My 15 year daughter can get a DNA sample within a few hours in her school science lab. stop looking for conspiracies and be patient.
Malathos

Posted: May 03 2011, 5:36 PM

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98175 the funny thing is that on the news today they said that one of the seals saw him and instantly shot him in the head so that would one negate the wife as a shield and any pictures released after the fact would show nothing identifiable for face recognition

Doubter

Posted: May 04 2011, 5:08 AM

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74243 Osama and Obama are the same people. Facial features and hands and gestures are the same. A little waxing of the eyebrows and boom! You got a President now!
Hey if MI5 can mkae a Paul McCartney look alike and pull it off after his death in 1966, the Osama/Obama thing can be pulled off too!
Anonymous

Posted: May 04 2011, 12:34 PM

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74178 Osama Bin Laden Pronounced Dead… For the Ninth Time

James Corbett
The Corbett Report
May 2, 2011

When Obama pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead in a televised announcement heard round the world last night, he was at least the ninth major head of state or high-ranking government official to have done so.

Given Bin Laden’s documented kidney problems and consequent need for dialysis, government officials, heads of state and counterterrorism experts have repeatedly opined that Osama Bin Laden has in fact been dead for some time. These assertions are based on Bin Laden’s failing health in late 2001 and visible signs of his deteriorating condition, as well as actual reports of his death from the same time frame.

In July of 2001, Osama Bin Laden was flown to the American Hospital in Dubai for kidney treatment. According to French intelligence sources, he was there met by the local CIA attache. When the agent bragged about his encounter to friends later, he was promptly recalled to Washington.

On the eve of September 11, Osama Bin Laden was staying in a Pakistani military hospital under the watchful eye of Pakistan’s ISI, the Pakistani equivalent of the CIA with deep ties to the American intelligence community.

In October 2001, Bin Laden appeared in a videotape wearing army fatigues and Islamic headdress, looking visibly pale and gaunt. In December of 2001, another videotape was released, this time showing a seriously ill Bin Laden who was seemingly unable to move his left arm.

Then on December 26, 2001, Fox News reported on a Pakistan Observer story that the Afghan Taliban had officially pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead earlier that month. According to the report, he was buried less than 24 hours later in an unmarked grave in accordance with Wahabbist Sunni practices.

What followed was a string of pronouncements from officials affirming what was already obvious: supposedly living in caves and bunkers in the mountainous pass between Afghanistan and Pakistan, Osama would have been deprived of the dialysis equipment that he required to live.

On January 18, 2002, Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf announced quite bluntly: “I think now, frankly, he is dead.”

On July 17, 2002, the then-head of counterterrorism at the FBI, Dale Watson, told a conference of law enforcement officials that “I personally think he [Bin Laden] is probably not with us anymore,” before carefully adding that “I have no evidence to support that.”

In October 2002, Afghan PresidentHamid Karzai told CNN that “I would come to believe that [Bin Laden] probably is dead.”

In November 2005, Senator Harry Reid revealed that he was told Osama may have died in the Pakistani earthquake of October that year.

In September 2006, French intelligence leaked a report suggesting Osama had died in Pakistan.

On November 2, 2007, former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto told Al-Jazeera’s David Frost that Omar Sheikh had killed Osama Bin Laden.

In March 2009, former US foreign intelligence officer and professor of international relations at Boston University Angelo Codevilla stated: “All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama Bin Laden.”

In May 2009, Pakistani President Asif Ali Zardari confirmed that his “counterparts in the American intelligence agencies” hadn’t heard anything from Bin Laden in seven years and confirmed “I don’t think he’s alive.”

Now in 2011, President Obama has added himself to the mix of people in positions of authority who have pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead. Some might charge that none of the previous reports had any credibility, but as it is now emerging that Osama’s body was buried at sea less than 12 hours after his death with no opportunity for any independent corroboration of his identity, the same question of credibility has to be leveled at this latest charge. To this point, the only evidence we have been provided that Osama Bin Laden was killed yesterday are some images on tv of a burning compound and the word of the man currently occupying the oval office.

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But given that an informed consensus has formed around the opinion that Bin Laden died long ago due to kidney failure, will the people of America hold their President to the highest standard in presenting evidence that the person killed was actually Osama Bin Laden, and that he actually died in the way described, or will this pronouncement go unquestioned like so many other deaths in the never ending war of terror?
Anonymous

Posted: May 04 2011, 12:37 PM

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74178 Sunday, May 1, 2011
Bin Laden Is Dead ... But Why Didn't We Kill Him 10 Year Ago?

"President Obama announced tonight that U.S. special forces killed Osama Bin Laden."

That's great ... but we could have killed him years ago.

As I noted in 2009:

According to the U.S. Senate - Bin Laden was "within the grasp" of the U.S. military in Afghanistan in December 2001, but that then-secretary of defense Rumsfeld refused to provide the soldiers necessary to capture him.

This is not news: it was disclosed in 2005 by the CIA field commander for the area in Afghanistan where Bin Laden was holed up.

In addition, French soldiers allegedly say that they easily could have captured or killed Bin Laden in Afghanistan, but that the American commanders stopped them.

Continued: http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2011/05/bin-laden-is-dead-but-why-didnt-we-kill-him-10-year-ago/
Anonymous

Posted: May 04 2011, 12:47 PM

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74178 It Is a conspiracy and it is to get Obama's rating up so he can be re-elected with little doubt in people mind that it was a setup/ fixed election. Years ago our government was trying to put a black man in office. The real question is why?

The American people are easily lead by the media and will believe anything that is repeatedly played on TV. Anyone who does not by into the NEWS propaganda knows, we have no control over what our government does. Voting gives people the illusion of some control, but really we have none.

Everything is planned and presented to the media and the unsuspecting people are lead into the decisions they make without even realizing it.

The only one that has your best interests at heart is yourself and those who love you. Not the American government.
Anonymous

Posted: May 04 2011, 12:53 PM

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74178 BREAKING: President Obama: "We Have Killed Osama bin Laden"
By Richard Adams and Declan Walsh, Guardian UK

01 May 11

On the eighth anniversary of George W. Bush's infamous "mission accomplished" speech President Obama has announced the killing of Osama bin Laden. The reported killing of Osama bin Laden raises many questions. Did Pakistan know where Osama was? What will now be the justification for continuing the war in Afghanistan? Will al Qaeda fade away or be emboldened? -- SMG/RSN

Osama bin Laden, the criminal mastermind behind al-Qaida and the world's most sought-after terrorist since the attacks of 11 September 2001, has been killed by a US operation, President Barack Obama has announced.

In an address to the nation, President Barack Obama said Bin Laden was killed in a "targeted operation" in Abbottabad, a highland town north of Islamabad, last night.

The operation started with an intelligence lead last August, and culminated in an operation involving a "small team of Americans". "After a firefight they killed bin Laden."

http://www.readersupportednews.org/news-section2/309-13/5805-breaking-president-obama-qwe-have-killed-osama-bin-ladenq
vusa

Posted: May 04 2011, 1:02 PM

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4178 Lets be realistic guys myself i dont see any evidence in this Osama thing.Think about this-the operation took about 40minutes nd the Army training Base is about 1km away truly speaking if Helicopters nd Gun shots were making noise for 40min in the middle of the night surely the Pakistan Army wud hav rushed to the scene to investigate koz dats war but nothing about that.no casualties in US Navy nothing about those who were Guarding the compound except 4pple including OSAMA.
The truth

Posted: May 04 2011, 8:53 PM

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67249 Bin laden was only a bogeyman and one piece of a plan to end the consumer economy that began after WWII. All while keeping the politicians and leaders blameless, for someone has to be the "bad guy" and get things back in check as you might say.
Saving the environment, "change" and green alternatives are all part of the same.
There are too many convenient occurrences in this chaotic world to believe there isn't some type of conspiracy happening. Aren't people always conspiring to gain or get ahead on every level?
Take 9/11 for example, I don't care how much money or training there was involved, the success rate was far too high for those planes to hit like they did. As if the government has not every tool at their disposal.
First we have Osama, now we elect a man named Obama, with a questionable background to say the least.
Yet we have been taught to watch the TV and its almost like brainwashing has occurred, lulling us into belief that what they are saying is the truth.
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