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Article posted Feb 13 2009, 7:29 PM Category: Cover-Up/Deceptions Source: PrisonPlanet Print

Still Standing: The Building That Proves WTC 7 Was Imploded

New videos highlight vivid contrast of Mandarin Oriental Hotel fire to fires in WTC 7 before its free fall collapse
Paul Joseph Watson

New videos of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel fire in Beijing highlight the vivid contrast between the damage it suffered as it was completely consumed by roaring flames, yet remained standing, and the comparative sporadic fires across just 8 floors that led to the complete free fall collapse of WTC 7.

9/11 truth debunkers are in a bind as to how to respond to the Beijing skyscraper fire because of the building’s similarity in size to Building 7 and the gargantuan fire damage it suffered in comparison with the limited “office fires” witnessed in WTC 7. The Mandarin Oriental Hotel is over 500 feet tall, just 100 feet short of the height of WTC 7.

The fires that consumed the Beijing building were on a completely different scale to those witnessed on 9/11, with the flames so violent and widespread that they masked almost the entire view of the building.

The best debunkers have come up with seems to be the false notion that the fires caused a partial collapse by making the building “lean”. This is of course complete baloney because the facade of the building was designed to appear as if it was leaning in the first place, as the image below highlights, with shots before and after the fire.

Since the Beijing building was still under construction, sprinkler systems had not been installed, providing another similarity to WTC 7, in which sprinkler systems malfunctioned before its collapse. The Mandarin Oriental Hotel was also a steel-framed building with a concrete core and may even have included steel salvaged from the debris of the twin towers and WTC 7 that was hastily shipped off to China shortly after 9/11.

Just take a look at the intensity of the fire that consumed the building but failed to bring it down in the following You Tube clip.

Now compare that with the fires that preceded the collapse of WTC 7.

How can any rational thinking person watch those two videos and lend any credence whatsoever to NIST’s claim that “thermal expansion” could have brought down WTC 7 into its own footprint, whereas the dramatic inferno that totally consumed the Beijing building had little structural effect whatsoever?

Apparently forgetting NIST’s newly invented “thermal expansion” theory, a scientific discovery that presumably has replaced the laws of physics, this Chinese news correspondent stands perilously close to the building completely unaware that since 9/11, all buildings that suffer minor fires, never mind towering infernos such as this, must collapse within 7 seconds into their own footprint.

Here are another two clips for comparison.

The dramatic flames engulfing the Beijing building, compared to the restricted “office fires” in WTC 7.

Here are four more images of the Mandarin Oriental Hotel ablaze and the aftermath.

Who could have guessed the resulting damage of the two fires? In Beijing….

And on 9/11….

9/11 truth debunking websites have so far been silent on the Mandarin Oriental Hotel fire and are likely to remain so. Yesterday’s fire serves to reinforce facts and not the fairy tales that the official 9/11 story is based around - namely that fire cannot weaken or melt steel to the point where a building collapses at free fall speed into its own footprint, without the aid of explosives.

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Posted: Feb 13 2009, 9:10 PM

208107 [Post deleted: read the comments policy, you need it. - IL]

Posted: Feb 14 2009, 8:21 PM

Not sure what was in the post but so much rested on 9/11, it has caused immense problems to the one world dictatorship movement that so critical a self sabotage operation as this should have unravelled.

Although bush was left asking hollywood for ideas the dream of the one worlders for the right turning event was not to be 9/11. With pearl harbour a very different story, world war II was launched, from this the cold war was launched allowing warfare of sufficient lenght to allow for restructing of the entire world. Pearl harbour has since been exposed as another false flag operation, wwii and the cold war have been similarly constructed.

One of the high councils of power focused through the rothroyals is the order of the garter, with orders for salesmen like bush and obama via the RIIA. The Japanese emperor Hirohito was a knight of the order of the garter (kg), knight grand cross of the order of bath (gcb), knight grand cross of the royal victorian order (gcvo), honoury general in the british army and honorary field marshal in the british army according to wiki though his conduct in the war matches to yet another british agent. I suspect also a member of the family as the world seems to be run on that basis, a bloodline that my research indicated traced back to odessa in russia.

<Campaigning 9/11 widow who met Obama among 50 people killed after Continental passenger plane crashes on to house>

Posted: May 27 2009, 5:42 PM

174130 9/11 was not an inside job. Its very intersting you talk about how 'minor' and 'sporadic' the fires were in the WTC 7 but this is what I find while looking at the eyewitness accounts, which I won't draw any conclusions from, simply what the people who were there said:

I walked out and I got to Vesey and West, where I reported to Frank [Cruthers]. He said, we’re moving the command post over this way, that building’s coming down. At this point, the fire was going virtually on every floor, heavy fire and smoke that really wasn’t bothering us when we were searching because it was being pushed southeast and we were a little bit west of that. I remember standing just where West and Vesey start to rise toward the entrance we were using in the World Financial Center. There were a couple of guys standing with me and a couple of guys right at the intersection, and we were trying to back them up – and here goes 7. It started to come down and now people were starting to run. –FDNY Deputy Chief Nick Visconti

When the building came down it was completely involved in fire, all forty-seven stories.
–FDNY Assistant Chief Harry Myers (

Then we had to move because the Duane Reade, they said, wasn't safe because building 7 was really roaring. –FDNY Chief Medical Officer Kerry Kelly.

At this point Seven World Trade was going heavy, and they weren't letting anybody get too close. Everybody was expecting that to come down. –Firefighter Vincent Massa

Building #7 was still actively burning and at that time we were advised by a NYFD Chief that building #7 was burning out of control and imminent collapse was probable.

Well, they said that's (7) fully involved at this time. This was a fully involved building. I said, all right, they're not coming for us for a while. Now you're trapped in this rubble, and you're trying to get a grasp of an idea of what's going on there. I heard on the handy talky that we are now fighting a 40-story building fully involved.

Now you're trapped in the rubble and the guys who are there are fighting the worst high-rise fire in the history of New York or history of the world, probably, I don't know, 40, story building fully involved, I guess that was probably the worst.

I was, needless to say, scared to death that something else was going to fall on us, that this building was going to come down and we were all going to die, after surviving the worst of it.

I don't see what any other fire has to do with 9/11. 9/11 is 9/11 and I am simply addressing your claims that the fire was minor.


Posted: May 27 2009, 5:47 PM

174130 There are plenty more accounts relating to the fire on the WTC 7 from various sources, but I find it intersting your ignore the DAMAGE done to WTC 7:

The major concern at that time was number Seven, building number Seven, which had taken a big hit from the north tower. When it fell, it ripped steel out from between the third and sixth floors across the facade on Vesey Street. We were concerned that the fires on several floors and the missing steel would result in the building collapsing. –FDNY Chief Frank Fellini

A few minutes after that a police officer came up to me and told me that the façade in front of Seven World Trade Center was gone and they thought there was an imminent collapse of Seven World Trade Center. –FDNY Lieutenant William Melarango

I think they said they had seven to ten floors that were freestanding and they weren't going to send anyone in. –FDNY Chief Thomas McCarthy

So we go there and on the north and east side of 7 it didn’t look like there was any damage at all, but then you looked on the south side of 7 there had to be a hole 20 stories tall in the building, with fire on several floors. Debris was falling down on the building and it didn’t look good. But they had a hose line operating. Like I said, it was hitting the sidewalk across the street, but eventually they pulled back too.

Then we received an order from Fellini, we’re going to make a move on 7. That was the first time really my stomach tightened up because the building didn’t look good. I was figuring probably the standpipe systems were shot. There was no hydrant pressure. I wasn’t really keen on the idea. Then this other officer I’m standing next to said, that building doesn’t look straight. So I’m standing there. I’m looking at the building. It didn’t look right, but, well, we’ll go in, we’ll see.

So we gathered up rollups and most of us had masks at that time. We headed toward 7. And just around we were about a hundred yards away and Butch Brandeis came running up. He said forget it, nobody’s going into 7, there’s creaking, there are noises coming out of there, so we just stopped. And probably about 10 minutes after that, Visconti, he was on West Street, and I guess he had another report of further damage either in some basements and things like that, so Visconti said nobody goes into 7, so that was the final thing and that was abandoned.
Firehouse Magazine: When you looked at the south side, how close were you to the base of that side?
Boyle: I was standing right next to the building, probably right next to it.

Firehouse: When you had fire on the 20 floors, was it in one window or many?

Boyle: There was a huge gaping hole and it was scattered through there. It was a huge hole. I would say it was probably a third of it, right in the middle of it. And so after Visconti came down and said nobody goes in 7, we said all right, we’ll head back to the command post. – Capt. Chris Boyle

So we left 7 World Trade Center, back down to the street, where I ran into Chief Coloe from the 1st Division, Captain Varriale, Engine 24, and Captain Varriale told Chief Coloe and myself that 7 World Trade Center was badly damaged on the south side and definitely in danger of collapse. Chief Coloe said we were going to evacuate the collapse zone around 7 World Trade Center, which we did. – FDNY Lieutenant Rudolph Weindler

Posted: May 27 2009, 7:01 PM

8558 Where did the concrete go?
9/11 was an inside job.
Sounds like you were one of those on the inside.

Posted: May 28 2009, 10:17 AM

174130 Where did the concrete go?
9/11 was an inside job.
Sounds like you were one of those on the insi

Hmmm. A very interesting response. Is there any other proof you have than 9/11 was an inside job. Its a typical move to very lamely attempt to discredit the poster, rather than addressing the content of the post. I would be very pleased however, if you wouldn't mind showing me some credible evidence that would convince me that 9.11 was an inside job. I still have yet to see any real evidence that proves your theory.

Posted: May 29 2009, 4:55 PM

8558 Sorry mate, its the only proof I need.
Get yer own.

Posted: Oct 12 2009, 2:35 PM

6676 Hey inside jobbers, how can everyone just keep quiet ? No one has come forward that was actually there to say otherwise. That is the only proof I need mate.

Posted: Oct 12 2009, 10:45 PM

The problem I have with all of these "theories" is that although the separate pieces of proof make for interesting reading, they have not yet been combined in a way that makes this "inside job" plausible. All it takes for the mainstream to discount any evidence of such a theory is the discrediting of one of the pieces of evidence provided. What methodology is being used to prove these theories? Without verifiable proof, not guesses and suppositions, people can simply call you "conspiracy theorists" and ignore the dangerous truths revealed in this article and others.

How do you know what you think you know is true? Please provide an example of your approach, if possible.

Not a person I've met yet can answer this question. Not a single person. People spout so much nonsense and when I ask these questions, look at me with a blank stare. Does anyone know why they think the way they think and how to synthesize the myriad of facts in a way to come to any conclusion about anything?

Posted: Oct 13 2009, 4:01 AM

8558 Of course you are right, it wasn't an inside job.
It was an "outside job".
Camaras were set up by Mossad to "document the event", before it happened.

Posted: Oct 13 2009, 4:11 AM

8558 JB,
You cannot make this rule when you yourself do not apply it.
What you are highlighting here is your belief that it wasn't an inside job.
What makes you think it wasn't an inside job, what evidence have you that it wasn't?
How do "YOU" know what you think you know is true?

"What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

Patriot from Ohio

Posted: Oct 13 2009, 2:46 PM

174130 The fact is these conspiracies, at least regarding 9/11, are not logical nor do they add up the facts.

I mean, how bout this article.

First of all, WTC 7 was not fought by firefighters. Firefighters did come in close proximity and by what I have read from the NYFD oral histories, they did get some small operation going, but their ability to fight was very much limited to the mass confusion and the lack of water.

Second of all, all these photos and video of these flames are at night. Now, if WTC 7 fires had been at night, we would have seen the REAL extent of the flames running up and down the entire south face of the building, which spread on the lower floors to the north side. Here, at night, we can see the flames clearly- at WTC 7 there is sunshine, and the heavy smoke makes it unable to see the true extent of flames and damage. The video also does not give perspective. I can not see how high the flames go. It appears to me most of the flames are confined to the lower flames, or they are all on one side of the building. The nightime shots give a much different perspective which changes everything. And of course I can't even understand what they are saying.

Third of all, and most obviously, WTC 7 had severe structural damage to mainly the south sides prior to the fire. When WTC 2 fell, it did not really damage WTC 7. But the collapse of WTC 1, which loomed over WTC 7, we can see on close-up video a massive amount of cement and steel come smashing into the facade and southwest corner of WTC 7.

Again, because you can not hear what they are saying, due to the fact they speak in Chinese, you don't catch their description. I don't think this building was leaning in such a way WTC 7. Eyewitness accounts all paint a picture of a leaning, groaning, and swaying WTC 7. If I was any logical or sensible person I wouldn't be near such a building. A building that is doing that is bound to fall, unless the leaning subsides or stops, but it did not.

Here is a very interesting snippet from an article regarding this fire:

The hotel itself is/was 40-stories tall, and was a complete loss.

The lucky break for everyone involved, is that the hotel is being reported as still being empty, as construction was close to finishing on the brand new luxury hotel. No injuries have been reported as this time, but it appears that the hotel is beyond repair after flames have nearly gutted the entire structure. The amazing aspect of this fire, is that the structure has not collapsed on itself, and though all of the floors suffered severe fire damage, that the shell of the building remained standing.

Patriot From Ohio

Posted: Oct 13 2009, 2:49 PM

174130 To be clear,

I am NOT denying the government would be WILLING to commit a terrorist attack against its own people to be able to expand around the world and to profit from war. I have read Operation Northwoods and it is very shocking. But the problem they had at that time with a much smaller plan would be excarbated in a situation such as 9/11. The government knew they could not carry out their fake attack without involving people who might talk later. On 9/11, there would have had to be many people KNOWLEDGABLLY fabricating stories, planting fake evidence, faking footage and all that stuff. I am highly skeptical that a conspiracy occurred and there is no evidence for it. Until there is evidence proving the conspiracy, there is no reason to believe it was an inside job. Comparing other fires to WTC 7 really is pretty much inconclusive. The buildings have different situations, different designs, ect.

Posted: Oct 13 2009, 4:04 PM

Hey Patriot I was telling a friend the other day how basically all the propaganda is aimed at one thing: reinforcing the "they wouldn't do that to us" mental block in people's minds. That is why Hitler said if you are going to tell a lie make it a massive one and people are that much more likely to believe it, people don't want to believe the people in power are pure evil, it doesn't matter if they openly admit it all, the people don't want to believe it. It's like those UFO posters "I WANT TO BELIEVE." Normal people are good people for the most part and they would never believe anyone else could be insanely evil and malicious, evil people know this and they exploit it like hell and pull off things like 9/11, 7/7, Operation Gladio, the Reichtag fire, etc. with wild abandon, just look at the french culture minister openly writing about how he loves child prostitutes and he doesn't care who knows, these people are in a completely different world. I am not saying you need to wake up to it or whatever it's just this is one of the most important things to realize if you want to really go down the rabbit hole, and if you don't c'est la vie at least you are working towards freedom.

Posted: Oct 13 2009, 4:17 PM

Also one of the most important things to note when reading Operation Northwoods is the casualness of the entire document, it's as if they are suggesting eating chinese or indian, it is pretty obvious when read with this in mind these type of plans are common place and to them rather blase`.
Patriot from Ohio

Posted: Oct 13 2009, 7:40 PM

174130 Interesting point Chris.

But I already said that I am fully aware of how far the govenrment would go....including attacking its own people.

I understand that.

But motive and capability and willingness are not enough to convict someone. You have to have proof that they are involved if you intend to nail their coffin.


Posted: Jul 21 2010, 6:53 PM

97127 Notice how the fires at the World Trade Center complex happened in broad daylight, making it near impossible to actually see the raging inferno going on INSIDE of the buildings. These fires in Beijing happened at night, making it very easy to see the flames both inside and outside the building. If the 9/11 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center happened in the middle of the night, then it would look very similar if not more severe than the Beijing CCTV fire.

Posted: Nov 17 2013, 5:25 PM

90202 If your wondering where the majority of the concrete went.
it spread all over the city in the form of dust.
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