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Article posted Jul 31 2008, 2:44 PM Category: Tyranny/Police State Source: 11 News Defenders Print

Caught on tape: Army recruiters threaten high school students

It's a problem that was supposed to be fixed, but is it?
By Mark Greenblatt


Video Report here HOUSTON -- With a war in Iraq and fighting on the rise in Afghanistan, the struggle to bring in new U.S. Army recruits is heating up again.

And Irving Gonzales, 18, got caught up in it all.

As his family’s oldest male, he feels he has to do whatever it takes to help out his single mom. For him, that means working long hours at his after-school job.

“My mom was left struggling. I would give her more than half my paycheck,” Gonzales said.

That’s why the Aldine High School senior started thinking about the Army – and the tens of thousands of dollars in bonuses that can come with enlistment.

“They were offering me school, they were offering me bonuses,” he said.

So Gonzales signed up – but only to “pre-enlist” in the Delayed Entry Program. DEP allows kids to try out the military without a binding commitment.

But the 11 News Defenders have found there is a problem: Army recruiters aren’t sticking to the program and are bullying and even lying to potential recruits and their families to keep them from dropping out.

After he had a change of heart, Gonzalez became one such victim.

“I’d rather just stay here, go to college,” he said he told his recruiter.

The reaction: Gonzalez said a recruiter told him if he did drop out, they would send him to jail.

Scared, Gonzales called Sgt. Glenn Marquette, a supervisor at the Greenspoint Recruiting Station.

Marquette told Gonzales there was no way out.

“You signed a binding contract,” he said.

But that wasn’t true.

Army recruiting regulations say delayed entry members can leave any time. They specifically mention “under no circumstances will any (recruiter) threaten, coerce, manipulate, or intimidate (future soldiers), nor may they obstruct separation requests.”

Further, they state: “At no time will any (recruiter) tell a (Delayed Entry Program) member he or she must go in the Army or he or she will go to jail.”

But when Gonzales asked Marquette what would happen if he just didn’t show up for service, a phone recording captured this reply:

“Then guess what?” said Marquette. “You’re AWOL. Absent without leave. You want to go to school? You will not get no loans, because all college loans are federal and government loans. So you’ll be black barred from that. As soon as you get pulled over for a speeding ticket, they’re gonna see you’re a deserter, they’re going to apprehend you, take you to jail.”

Marquette continued: “So guess what? All that lovey-dovey 'I wanna go to college' and all that? Guess what? You just threw it out the window, because you just screwed your life.”

Eric Martinez, 17, is another young recruit who changed his mind.

“They make it seem there’s no way out,” his mother said.

Martinez said the nearby National Cemetery constantly reminds him – and his mother – of the risks and horrors of war.

“She tells me about the stories that happen in Iraq. Some people kill themselves or get shot,” Martinez said.

But when Martinez told that to the recruiter the Army assigned to him, he said he too was threatened.

Then his mother decided to intervene. But when she spoke to the Greenspoint Recruiting Station, they told her, too, that Martinez would be AWOL and go to jail if he didn’t show up for service.

This isn’t the first time the 11 News Defenders have found these sorts of problems -- and at the VERY SAME recruiting station location.

Three years ago in May of 2005, we found that another recruiter from that station, a Sgt. Thomas Kelt, had left this phone message to a high school student. This time the issue was simply keeping an appointment to talk:

“By federal law you got an appointment with me at two this afternoon at Greenspoint Mall,” Kelt told him. “OK? You fail to appear and we’ll have a warrant, OK? So give me a call back.”

Our investigation into that call led to the Army announcing a national stand-down so all of its recruiters could re-examine their methods and regulations.

But just two months later, 11 News found that instead of punishing Sgt. Kelt, the Army had promoted him to the role of station commander at a neighboring recruiting station. That meant he would supervise and train other recruiters on how to do the job.

(And today? the Army confirms Sgt. Kelt still holds that supervisory position, but has since been transferred out of Texas.)

So we caught up with Sgt. Marquette to ask about these latest incidents.

11 News: “I just want to know why you’re telling young recruits they’ll go to jail if they want out of the Delayed Entry Program.”

Marquette: “What are you talking about?”

11 News: “We’d just like to know why you’re telling them that.”

Marquette: “I’m on vacation right now. I really don’t want to be bothered!”

Congressman Ted Poe believes there is an ongoing problem with recruiters.

“We don’t want the government, military, the Army, deceiving American citizens,” Poe said.

Poe speaks from the position of a veteran himself who recently visited Iraq with the Army.

We shared with him new figures 11 News obtained from the U.S. Army that track how recruiters have been doing since our story three years ago.

Turns out, instead of going down, allegations of wrongdoing are actually going up. In 2005, 836 complaints were filed against recruiters. That rose to 874 last year, and the Army is on pace to surpass that figure in 2008.

What’s more? The number of Army recruiters given formal admonishments has nearly doubled since our first report, with 373 citations in 2005 growing to 635 in 2007.

One possible reason for this trend?

The U.S. Government Accountability Office found the Army gives bonuses and other performance incentives to its recruiters based primarily on how many recruits they send to basic training. But the Marine Corps focuses on how many recruits actually finish basic training.

A 2006 GAO report on military recruiting concludes, “This criterion may deter Marine Corps recruiters from committing recruiter violations.”

It is the same point the GAO made in similar reports in 1997 and 1998.

But despite years of recommendations from the GAO, the Army has not changed its ways.

And why would this matter? Take a look at another part of what Sgt. Marquette advised potential recruit Irving Gonzales on what to do if he didn’t want to join the Army anymore:

Marquette (phone recording): “You get into basic training, and you don’t like it? Tell the chaplain you don’t like it. That’s the right way to get out of the Army. Then they’ll process you out of the army… and it’s nothing against your record.”

Gonzales: “That would be the right way to do it?”

Marquette: “Yeah and guess what? If you do it that way? Maybe in the future you may say well (darn), I’m coming to join the Army. Then guess what? You can. You can join the Army. Cuz you got out of the Army the right way. You at least got to go to basic training and try it.”

Gonzales: “I mean that’s the only way? I can’t do it right here?”

Marquette: “No, you cant, no!”

The problem? U.S. Army spokesman Douglas Smith says once you report to basic training, you are a full-fledged soldier. While Smith made clear he can’t comment on Marquette’s specific situation due to an ongoing investigation of the matter, he said in general, “Once you report to basic training it is harder to get out of the Army than if you ask for separation before enlisting.”

What’s more?

“It costs taxpayers money,” Poe said. “And we certainly don’t want people to fake an injury or whatever in boot camp just because the recruiter suggested they do that to get out of the Army permanently.”

But in a written statement to KHOU, the Army’s Smith confirmed:

“(Army recruiters) receive recruiter incentive points for those recruits that ship to (basic training).”

Smith notes the Army does now award some extra incentive points to recruiters when a future soldier completes basic training.

The GAO’s response?

“This change was not like the Marine Corps system, which took away all the recruiter’s credit if the recruit did not make it through basic training,” said Brenda Farrell, director of the GAO’s section that oversees and investigates military matters for Congress. “The Army’s new system just awarded “extra” points.”

And the Army confirms in a written statement that its recruiters still “lose points for those recruits that do not ship to (basic training)… Recruiting personnel are also penalized under the Recruiter Incentive Pay. Recruiting personnel must not exceed the command’s loss rate in order to maintain their monetary incentive.”

This, said Poe, creates a conflict of interest for Army recruiters that encourages them to do whatever it takes to get a recruit to ship to basic training.

“The Marines, in my opinion, have it right,” the Congressman said. “If we could make all the military branches not count a recruit as a recruit until they finish boot camp, then you’re not gonna have the problem.”

But the Army’s Douglas Smith says that currently, “We have no plan to adopt the U.S. Marine Corps model.”

Still, Smith says, “Recruiters should not threaten applicants or Future Soldiers. That violates our regulations.”

He made it clear he was speaking in general, and not about Marquette.

The Congressman’s reaction?

“Our country cannot deceive its citizens,” Poe said. “Since the Army hasn’t taken the initiative, now Congress may have to get involved.”

Poe also said the contract itself to join the Delayed Entry Program is misleading to potential recruits and needs to be rewritten by the Pentagon.

He said it makes it appear as if members really do have to join the Army or face jail, when it’s simply not true.

In the meantime, the U.S. Army says it has launched an investigation into the allegations against Sgt. Glenn Marquette:

“The recruiter against whom the allegations were made has been taken off recruiting duty pending the outcome of the investigation,” the Army said.

And one final fact: The Army confirms they are also at historic lows in the Delayed Entry Program, but deny that that has had any effect on any alleged recruiter behavior.





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Anonymous

Posted: Jul 31 2008, 7:54 PM

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7565 This sort of TERRORISM by military recruiters will go on until the U.S. gets out of making weapons sales a primary support of our national economy. To sell weapons, you need a BUYER. When life is too peaceful, you create buyers, i.e., you create hatreds and wars so that you can continue selling weapons.

Over 80% of Americans now despise the non-elected administration's violent overthrow of other countries. The military can't make its quotas. This is why the non-elected administration is creating a privatized military from mercenaries like Blackwater.

Young men and women, YOU are the future of peace. Refuse to fight for the LIARS who kill you for money. There is profit in peace.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 24 2008, 11:09 AM

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24174 There is a VERY simple solution to this problem. Do not give recuiters any bonuses what so ever for new recruits. They deserve the same base pay as all other military service members. They have become salesmen. Does anyone like a salesman NO why, because you are a commision to them and nothing more. Do future soldiers deserve to be thought of as a commision? They are already nothing more than warm bodies and "cannon fodder" to the military. I was a military spouse for 10 years so, I have a deep appreciation for those who willingly choose to serve their country. You NEVER hear a military member say "Man my reqruiter did me right he/she made promises to me and kept them it was the best experience I have had. I feel that I was told the truth and dealt with honestly" Why do you never hear this? Because you are nothing more then a quota filling number to them gotta make the quota so I can get my bonus. They tell these more souls anything. They tell them that they will get the job description that they singed up for. 95% of the time you do not get the job you applied for. Most people will say they want to be a communications personel and when they actually recieve their job asignment guess what? Gunner or water conservation ect. If we take away their bonuses then they will have no driving force to trick, lie, coerce, or intimidate these poor kids.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 24 2008, 11:50 AM

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66176 Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of deaths construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning
As the war machine keeps burning
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgment, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
All right now!
Sean

Posted: Oct 25 2008, 9:12 PM

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6845 You'd think they'd fix this stuff right away instead of going, "Eh, maybe it'll fix itself" eight times.
Donald B. MacGowan

Posted: Oct 25 2008, 9:31 PM

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7095 These abuses are egregious, granted, and ought to be dealt with as sternly as is legally mandated and the broken system fixed.

But what is the real crime, here? What about solving the problem by punishing the real criminals? Isn't the real problem the civilians leadership in the Pentagon and White House who lied and bullied us into war in Iraq? Isn't it profligate and inept leadership from George Bush and (fmr) SecDef Rumsfeld that led to our having a broken Army in the first place and contributes to the inability to draw quality recruits today?

Shouldn't we be focused on visualizing impeachment? Even at this late date, impeachment of Bush and Cheney would forestall Bush's inevitable mass pardons (like his father's mass pardons of Administration employees, cronies and rogue military officers in the Iran-Contra illegalities) of war criminals in the Administration, Pentagon and amongst the officer corps which would allow trial and prosecution of these vile, corrupt and anti-American fascist.

It would also guarantee that none of Bush's cadre of war criminals would come back to haunt us in another, also inevitable, rogue Republican presidential regime--like we got Negroponte and Poindexter and, oh yes, Rumsfeld and Cheney left over from Nixon's and Reagan's war crimes and crimes against the American people.

America need to root-out the fascist Neo Cons, root and branch. Where's Nancy Pelosi--why isn't she doing her JOB protecting America from a rogue presidential regime? Is she cowardly, co-opted or complicit?
bwolper@optonline.ne

Posted: Oct 26 2008, 10:26 AM

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69112 It's a catch-22 quandary. The Department of the Army sets minimum quotas for the recruiters. When the quotas are not met, the Department comes down on the recruiter. So the recruiter feels desperate. Lying and threatening is wrong and should not be tolerated. The Army does not offer enough of an incentive for the potential recruit to want to stay. If the Army wants more recruits, it has to sweeten the pot, if not, they will not meet the quotas.

The recruiter loses either way. The recruiter is basically saying, "Either decrees the quotas or let us lie and threaten. You can't have both." You could not pay me enough to be a recruiter in this day and age.
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 26 2008, 9:01 PM

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6595 meh they're from the army...they are barbarians, that's what they do best...would we like our army to be a bunch of pussies???
Anonymous

Posted: Oct 27 2008, 3:09 AM

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76104 Military guys are professionally trained in how to KILL PEOPLE. That's their entire reason for existing. End of story.

It's sort of like criticizing a bunch of monkeys for throwing feces at each other... it's in their nature.
Griffin

Posted: Oct 28 2008, 11:10 PM

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7618 It seems to me that people are trying to join for the bonus, then drop out before having to earn that bonus. That money comes from our taxes and it's my opinion that once they cash a check or secure a bonus, they should be held to the term agreed upon. Also, we should send all welfare recipients to iraq. At the very least, they will annoy the towel heads.
Anonymous

Posted: Apr 19 2012, 9:29 PM

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7432 I lucked out and my recruiters were 100% straight-forward with me, but in basic I heard tons of stories of recruiters screwing recruits over.
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